Am i getting the best for my 2400 AUD?

NeverBackDown said:
Well xfx has an overclock warranty i think, so pretty useful if thats what you plan on doing. The 7970 isn't that much more than a 670 i believe so maybe get 1 now if you can't afford it into your budget. I would rather get one now and get bigger SSDs and then once you start with your GD get another 7970? ;)
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the cheapest 7970 is 430$ whereas the most expensive is 599the 670 is 399$ so i can sli 2 of them but cant cfx a 7970 due to priceor else i would have to drop my i73770kfor a 3570k which i wouldnt haha :)But, if i get 1 7970 i wouldnt be able to afford another until the 8000 series releases,im 16 and im paying for 1500$ and my dad is paying 900 now to make up 2400 so my dad deosnt want me to build a computer with his and my money :(

Plus my brother just capped the damn internet so its slow as hell to choose from PLEs custom build menu
 
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One thing I love about the GD65 is its onboard audio. It has the usual 6x mini-jacks and also has Optical out as well as SPDIF out, and I have used them all. Paired with Logitech Z5500, 5.1 speakers it's hand to have as the Xbox360 has digital out as well. Sound quality is great and the 900w subby thumps perfectly fine. If you choose to get an external soundcard, all the better. Not really needed IMO, just another expense.

If you are into game development the 3770k might be best for you as its better at compiling then the 3570k, but for pure gaming, you dont really need the extra expense.
 
If only they stocked the GD65 :( in regards to the build with 1 670, im not getting that money back if i dont spend 2400$ im paying for 1500 of it while my dad is paying 900 and he said that i should max the 2400$ budget, so i currently have 2 choices.

either the dual 670 build in teh stormstyker with an asus p8z77
or a matrix platinum 7970 on a maximus V formula
theres also a chance of a evga classified 680 but thats a big waste of money in my opinion

the reasoning for the 7970 matrix P is that the other 7970s PLE offer are the XFX ones that quite a few people have said to avoid them unfortunatly ple "deos not have acess to club 3D cards" :( and basically have not much access to anything other than teh things on their website.

I have emailed them and they said the can make an exception with the msi Mpower as they can get it sent in at the cost of 259$ but that would:
A) take away the chance of 670 sli configs
B.)Take away the 7970 matrix platinum as i would rather not pay for that without a rog mobo
C) they can get the 680 msi lightning for 699$ but is over my budget if i went with the mpower :(

They dont seem too like dealing with other radeon distributors other than XFX
as they cant supply the MSI 7970 or the sapphire 7970 :(
And with my internet being slowed due to capping 200gbs its difficault to browse for other vendors ( takes around 5 mins + to load the front page )

One good thing is that Amazon can ship computer Cases to australia and they will build in them. Ive thought of getting a Rosewill blackhawk ultra but that is massive! but on the upside has lots of fans, the Thor V2 is also a choice aswell as pretty much any case up to 250$ :D
unfortunatly graphics and other hardware cannot be shipped with amazon so those will still have to be overpriced D:

If i was to buy a single card now and one later i probably wont make that money before the next series of cards are released but if i was to go single card i would probably either get a 670 4gb or CU TOP or just a matrix P 7970 as the other 7970 cards are not as great cooling-wise
 
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That extra 4gb of Vram can only do so much because its only allowed a 256bit bus whereas the 7970 has a 384bit bus of 3gb Vram so mine as well go for that 7970 in that regards. If you really feel the need to cfire/sli then do whatever is cheapest, with the cards your looking at they are all so fast you most likely won't notice any difference.

You say you want an ROG motherboard, why? Is it less expensive than the mpower where your at? If so than yea get it, if not then go for the mpower.

Also with the GD65 its basically the exact same thing as the GD55 if you are wondering. Also IMO i believe MSI has the best mobos out there this gen(z77) so try to stick with them...
 
NeverBackDown said:
That extra 4gb of Vram can only do so much because its only allowed a 256bit bus whereas the 7970 has a 384bit bus of 3gb Vram so mine as well go for that 7970 in that regards. If you really feel the need to cfire/sli then do whatever is cheapest, with the cards your looking at they are all so fast you most likely won't notice any difference.

You say you want an ROG motherboard, why? Is it less expensive than the mpower where your at? If so than yea get it, if not then go for the mpower.

Also with the GD65 its basically the exact same thing as the GD55 if you are wondering. Also IMO i believe MSI has the best mobos out there this gen(z77) so try to stick with them...
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While they may be the best Mobos they arent stocked by PLE i have to get PLE to ship them to teh store which costs a fair bit more than a store that stocks them.

Another store near me deos not deal with AMD cards ( wierd because they are supposed to be a PC hardware store ) but PLE have a relativly restricted selection of parts
i can ship a case in from america but i cant ship mobos and graphics :(

And the 7970 matrix asus card goes well with the ROG board due to the features dedicated to their rog cards. and PLE dont sell anything MSI i have to get them to ship it in ( cards ect ) but they add a 100$ surcharge to some items and teh msi lightning costs a good 699$ while a 670 sli config is 798$ and the matrix platinum is 599$

Thats why i cant go MSI :( and with the subject on other stores i live in perth WA so the shipping from east to west is around 200$ for the whole system and i cant build the system myself due to an agreement i have with my dad:(

So while i do want to go with the msi MPower i cant due to availability
i also need this rig to last me a while
 
It might be easiest for us to help you if you name all the brands PLE stocks, instead of us trying to guess. Honestly i would tell yuor dad it would save money to do it yourself, but if he don't budge then thats extra money wasted.

In regards to your GPU dilemma, if your getting two 670s for only 200$ more than a 7970, then by all means get those. I remember reading a review where the people testing said two 670s felt smoother than two 7950 but yet the 7950s were running quite a bit faster. That is all driver based but i'm sure it has been fixed or will be soon. But really with the limited options available to you, you mine as well get the two 670s and make sure you have a good enough powersupply to deal with them and a case that wont starve them to death.
 
NeverBackDown said:
It might be easiest for us to help you if you name all the brands PLE stocks, instead of us trying to guess. Honestly i would tell yuor dad it would save money to do it yourself, but if he don't budge then thats extra money wasted.

In regards to your GPU dilemma, if your getting two 670s for only 200$ more than a 7970, then by all means get those. I remember reading a review where the people testing said two 670s felt smoother than two 7950 but yet the 7950s were running quite a bit faster. That is all driver based but i'm sure it has been fixed or will be soon. But really with the limited options available to you, you mine as well get the two 670s and make sure you have a good enough powersupply to deal with them and a case that wont starve them to death.
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the brands ple stock for mobos are, gigabyte, asus, ASRock and intel
In terms of cases, would a HAF X perform better with dual 670s than a storm stryker in terms of airflow, and would a 750W powersupply handle the 670s because some people say they can im just not sure.

with Dual 670s in SLI the mobo can only cost up to 200$ which is why i picked the p8z77
but with teh single matrix which i can get another one later i can get a MVF mobo and a seidon 120m cooler whereas with the dual 670 i can only get a hyper 212

i would be running a 3770k, dual 670s, 16gb ram 2X8 @ 1600 mhz
Asus p8z77 v

if we build it, it would still cost teh same amount because newegg and amazon dont ship to australia and all the prices here are the same in everystore so either way it will be money wasted due to the higher prices of some products but most are pretty good
 
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Well yes the HAF x will perform better. It's made for air cooling where as the stryker isn't as good at it, though the build quality and looks are 100% better IMO. A 750w will be able to handle it, just dont overclock your cpu and gpus like crazy and you will be ok, try to go for a seasonic, corsair, or nzxt and gold rated, though some people just go for bronze rated but i perfer gold:)

That seidon is very loud, if you don't overclock it shouldnt be a problem, but once you start cranking those volts it will quickly get loud and noisy. Try to get an asrock extreme 4 board over that asus one and with the money saved get those 670s. That MVF board is a waste of money and will offer no performance increase at all.

if yuo build it yourself how would it cost you money? The only thing it would cost you is time really to unbox everything and put it in and wire it up. Free essentially! ;)
 
NeverBackDown said:
Well yes the HAF x will perform better. It's made for air cooling where as the stryker isn't as good at it, though the build quality and looks are 100% better IMO. A 750w will be able to handle it, just dont overclock your cpu and gpus like crazy and you will be ok, try to go for a seasonic, corsair, or nzxt and gold rated, though some people just go for bronze rated but i perfer gold:)

That seidon is very loud, if you don't overclock it shouldnt be a problem, but once you start cranking those volts it will quickly get loud and noisy. Try to get an asrock extreme 4 board over that asus one and with the money saved get those 670s. That MVF board is a waste of money and will offer no performance increase at all.

if yuo build it yourself how would it cost you money? The only thing it would cost you is time really to unbox everything and put it in and wire it up. Free essentially! ;)
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For the 670 sli build i would be using an asus p8z77 @ 200$ with hav f and all of that.
But i am looking to overclock that was why i was going for the 7970 matrix and MVF board with the 3770k
if i got the 670 sli build, i would have enough money for only a freezer i30 or a hyper 212 evo.
And if i built it myself the parts cost exactly the same i only save 79$ building fee

The custom build tab on ple has everything from cpu to monitors, keyboards and all of that so it would all arrive in a couple of boxes

Personally i prefer to get the 7970 but i will go the 670 sli due to the fact that theres better performance over a single 7970 but if i was to change my mind i would get another matrix further down the line, like in a few months or so.

I like the design of the stryker and the 670 sli would look nice in that case due to the big side panel window:cool:

I just want to keep the temps down because the past few days its been a toasty 40 decrees celcius in the house :( and my laptop graphics are 80-82 celcius at Load and that heats the room up even more.

Also im a complete noob at overclocking and SLI setup :o so it would be an intresting experience if i build it myself
 
that 79$ can go to a better cpu cooler or more fans in the stryker case to help with temps, now i do not understand why you are so dead set on the MVF? its utterly over priced and a cheaper mobo will get you the same overclocks. A cheaper mobo will also save money and go towards a single 7970 now and in a few months a second one as well. Don't go for the extreme products as a 1st timer and wanting to overclock straight away, because as a noob you don't want to destroy anything on your first try. I just recommend you build it yourself, its fun and you will be more proud of it saying "ya i did that myself" then saying ya i bought it. Just a thought :p
 
The reason i want to go with the matrix 7970 is due to the fact that the others are 450$ and one is 429$ for a non-GHZ edition and they are both XFX cards which i have heard bad remarks about. with the MVF if i bougth teh matrix i would have to get the MVF or MVG to accomodate the matrix's special features that are for the Rog-range mobos.

I tried to tell my dad i wanted to build it myself, lets just say my mom started yelling for me to get it store-bought with everything inside so we compromised on a custom build one so i can choose the parts i wanted.

with a cheaper mobo such as the asus P8z77 i can get the 670 sli for 2400$
which is teh same price as the 7970 Matrix and MVF combo but with a better cooler and monitor on the matrix build.

I do want somethign that can Max ARMA 3 when it comes out and im thinking the 7970 can definatly do that, and honestly i like AMD more than Nvidia but i have used both.

My friends think i should get a single 670 over a 7970 because pretty much all of them are nvidia fanboys even though benchmarks on ghz editions place the 7970 higher.

Im on a 2400$ AUD budget and can afford any card up to 599$ on the MVF and anything up to 799$ if i choose to get the p8z77 which the 670 SLI comes in at 798$

unfortunatly i dont have any friends who know everything about hardware and what choices i should be making ( my friend just spent 3000$ on an alienware )
 
Tell your friends im sorry! :lol:
Just a question, i do not remember you ever talking about storage and the OS, do you already have those items? If not then you may need to rethink your budget.

IMO i think its better to see how a new game performs with the available hardware at its release then just going out buying the new hardware to prepare for it. Never know if it will be heavily Nvidia biased or Amd biased.

Do keep in mind that the matrix is a 3slot beast and Xfireing two will be a slightly tight fit on the MVF if yuo ever buy another one. If you are geting a better cooler/monitor then that would be more worthwhile, though if its a 120hz monitor then you would be way better off with two 670s in sli. I perfer Amd over nvidia ever since the 12.11 drivers and because here in the US i can buy them for far cheaper than Nvidia because of their price drops:)

Almost forgot! If you do need storage i would only reccomend a SSD especially at your budget, A ssd is the single handedly biggest performance increase any piece of computer hardware can provide(99% of the time)
 
i have a 120gb SSD boot drive and a 2TB HDD i am using maya and 3DS MAX and also Zbrush and mudbox

And i am currently using a 6870M and got those 12.11 drivers nicely done amd :cool:

I really wanna try out the Matrix looks magnificent and supposedly runs alot of programs great even better than the 680 DC II top card in some benchmarks i have seen.

Crossfire one of these beasts and my eyes wont be able to handle the awesomeness :lol:

the matrix platinum over here is 599$ whereas the 670 4gb direct cu is 559 and the 680 dc II top is 689 and the matrix performs on par or better when oced

the dc2 680 4gb is 700$
And i Love AMD !! the never settle just sweetens the deal :cool:
Another reason for the matrix is that i can get the sapphire Vapor X cpu cooling unit or the seidon 120m or even the cheaper noctuas like the 12 and the 9 low profile

With the stryker im wondering what LEDs to get. green and white? Darker red with white leds to complement it?
 
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Get a larger PSU for future proofing. Get the Swiftech 220 when released as it has better temperatures and can be modified. Get the higher factory clocked 7970 as the GPU chip is binned and will be more easily overclocked and usually more stable...drivers are now superb!

In MOST games 7970 is NOW the better performer!
 
like an 850W? and my 6870m framerate boosted around 20% from 12.8 to 12.11 drivers the matrix can oc to around 1400 with enough cooling and luck its factory clocked at either 1050 or 1100 MHz

i can save money and go with a 1333 mhz 16gb ram instead of a 1600 mhz ram kit.
with the Matrix in the storm styker should i be expecting temps at load to be aorund 50-70 or more?
 
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depends on how far you overlcock, if its extreme overclock then i recommend getting the 850watt psu, if just mild overlcock then get a 750watt. I wouldn't drop ram speeds, in game development software i would figure creation and modeling in 3d would greatly benefit 1600mhz vs the 1333mhz.

As for the matrix and stryker, i can not comment on ethier because i dont own ethier, but i agree with USAdystopia on the swiftech 220. It is not available as of yet but should be a very solid performer and is an easy way to get into watercooling if you ever feel the need and is better than a h100/i.
 
im looking for around 1275 MHz core clock on the gpu and 4.2-4.6 or even 4.8 Ghz on the cpu
is that possible on a 750w?

Im also looking at the HAF X case but it is a bit dated and deosn have as many features or build quality of the storm stryker
 
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