Potential AMD RX Vega benchmarks appear online

Hmm. See, this brings us back to the initial rumour which was that it was to compete with the 1070.

I really hope it isn't true, because if it is I can get to within 200 points of that with a Fury X.
 
Hmm. See, this brings us back to the initial rumour which was that it was to compete with the 1070.

I really hope it isn't true, because if it is I can get to within 200 points of that with a Fury X.

I could overclock my Fury to get these kinds of numbers, this must be a cut-down model.

If the clock speeds of 1200MHz are true it should be at least 20% faster than the R9 Fury X, not including other areas for potential gains. These results make very little sense if this is full-fat Vega.

The Fury X is almost three years old, these results are simply too low for that much development time and a process node shrink.
 
I could overclock my Fury to get these kinds of numbers, this must be a cut-down model.

If the clock speeds of 1200MHz are true it should be at least 20% faster than the R9 Fury X, not including other areas for potential gains. These results make very little sense if this is full-fat Vega.

The Fury X is almost three years old, these results are simply too low for that much development time and a process node shrink.

Thing is when Vega was first penned out and somewhat announced a load of the "pros" on OCUK basically tore it to bits and predicted it would be as fast as a 1070. When I say pros I mean "Heavy science dudes" who know exactly how it all works. IE - the cores, clock speeds etc etc. These weren't just rumours but somewhat scientifically predicted.

And that is pretty much where I got the "it's as fast as a 1070" from. Lately people's minds have been going into overdrive and a lot of "what ifs" have been said. Like "What if AMD deliberately locked their games to 60 FPS to slow the card down so that Nvidia wouldn't know the exact performance" and so on. Which of course is not anywhere near as accurate as scientific data.

Also. The Fury X was a metric mile behind the 1070 back then too. It's only been with a large dose of DX12 and some pretty amazing drivers that it's started to play with the 1070.

I really hope I am wrong but if Vega is what it was penned out at then yeah, could be in for a huge disappointment.
 
Thing is when Vega was first penned out and somewhat announced a load of the "pros" on OCUK basically tore it to bits and predicted it would be as fast as a 1070. When I say pros I mean "Heavy science dudes" who know exactly how it all works. IE - the cores, clock speeds etc etc. These weren't just rumours but somewhat scientifically predicted.

And that is pretty much where I got the "it's as fast as a 1070" from. Lately people's minds have been going into overdrive and a lot of "what ifs" have been said. Like "What if AMD deliberately locked their games to 60 FPS to slow the card down so that Nvidia wouldn't know the exact performance" and so on. Which of course is not anywhere near as accurate as scientific data.

Also. The Fury X was a metric mile behind the 1070 back then too. It's only been with a large dose of DX12 and some pretty amazing drivers that it's started to play with the 1070.

I really hope I am wrong but if Vega is what it was penned out at then yeah, could be in for a huge disappointment.

Erm, the GTX 1070 has always been a performance competitor with the GTX 980Ti, which is at a similar level to the R9 Fury X. It is a bit disingenuous to say that it is only due to recent drivers that AMD's old Fury X performs well in comparison.

That being said, there are a lot of games where AMD GPUs fall far behind, which is why AMD's changes to Vega's front-end are so important, as they allow AMD to better load Vega and eliminate internal bottlenecks that cause these performance issues.



TBH with Vega I am not expecting a GTX 1080 Ti killer, but at a minimum, I want to see higher clock speeds. Nvidia's gains in recent years from Maxwell and Pascal have been mostly due to clock speed increases rather than deeper architectural changes.

AMD needs higher clock speeds and a strong GPU front-end to do well, AMD cannot afford to release a high-end GPU that offers lower clock speeds than most current Polaris GPUs.

What I really want to see with Vega is 1500MHz clock speeds. Since Keplar Nvidia's clock speeds have gone through the roof and AMD really needs to get their arse in gear in this regard.
 
In some of the AMD press conferences, they made the comment that Vega was to compete with Volta. Even for a cut down card, that graph is a little depressing.
 
Erm, the GTX 1070 has always been a performance competitor with the GTX 980Ti, which is at a similar level to the R9 Fury X. It is a bit disingenuous to say that it is only due to recent drivers that AMD's old Fury X performs well in comparison.

Context problems.. The 980Ti at launch was a fair bit faster than the Fury X. In fact, it pretty much decimated it until you got to 4k.

From what I have seen the 1070 is also a little bit faster than the 980Ti. Sure, "If I clock my 980ti to 1500mhz!" etc, but it's surprising just how few of them in reality clock that hard. It's quite easy for a reviewer to do it because most of them were handed golden samples in the first place (why would Nvidia or AMD hand over a stinker?) and so on.

I also think that the 1070 is faster than the 980Ti in DX12. From what I have seen with my Titan X any way.

And come on dude, who really expected the Fury X to pretty much catch the 1070 as it has done lately when it's not running out of VRAM? certainly not I !

I won't quote the next bit as I agree completely.. The Fury X falls behind when it runs out of VRAM. I've done a crap load of testing (when that driver came out that made it stream from the paging file) and yeah, it can be made to look quite awful if you try hard enough.

In some of the AMD press conferences, they made the comment that Vega was to compete with Volta. Even for a cut down card, that graph is a little depressing.

IMO they didn't, they just poked fun at Volta. Nowhere did they dare to say that Vega could compete with it. And I think that was more a mockery of Nvidia's pricing. However, the irony being that AMD will take full advantage of that pricing and price theirs accordingly based on Nvidia's already jacked up prices.
 
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In some of the AMD press conferences, they made the comment that Vega was to compete with Volta. Even for a cut down card, that graph is a little depressing.

Yeah, it is disheartening if this is what is appears to be.

When it comes to improving GPU performance (though the same applies to CPU in a way) is that you can do three basic things, first is increase clocks, second is to increase performance per clock and 3rd is to eliminate internal bottlenecks.

Increasing clocks and increasing performance per clock effectively do the same thing, get more raw performance out of your GPU per second, which in theory improves performance across the board.

The 3rd option will only improve performance in select scenarios, for example, look at AMD's tessellation performance over time. It has increased tremendously, but it only helps in select situations where tessellation is used heavily.

A lot of the changes that AMD has reported for Vega will help to reduce internal bottlenecks, which will help AMD deliver more consistent performance across a wide number of game releases. Even so, it will still take a big increase in clock speeds (or perf per clock) to compete with Pascal on the high-end.

In recent years Nvidia's mantra has been to get more out of less, using compression techniques and other methods that allow them to use smaller memory bus sizes than their AMD competitors. The fact that Nvidia has been able to increase their clock speeds so much also allows them to create high-performance GPUs without increasing GPU core count, which allows them to hit high-performance targets with small die sizes.

Just look at the GTX 980, it was able to deliver GTX 780Ti performance with a much smaller core count and die size. The same can be said for the GTX 1080 replacing the 980Ti, though the GTX 1080 was able to easily beat the 980Ti despite its lower core count. Nvidia then scales these GPUs up to larger die sizes and repeats the process.


Context problems.. The 980Ti at launch was a fair bit faster than the Fury X. In fact, it pretty much decimated it until you got to 4k.

From what I have seen the 1070 is also a little bit faster than the 980Ti. Sure, "If I clock my 980ti to 1500mhz!" etc, but it's surprising just how few of them in reality clock that hard. It's quite easy for a reviewer to do it because most of them were handed golden samples in the first place (why would Nvidia or AMD hand over a stinker?) and so on.

I also think that the 1070 is faster than the 980Ti in DX12. From what I have seen with my Titan X any way.

As I said, who is the performance winner really depends on what you are testing. For the most part the GTX 1070 is the performance leader out of these three GPUs, though again it depends on what you are testing. If you used Dawn of War III the Fury X is the clear winner, but if you use a game like Styx: Shards of Darkness the Fury X is laughably slow by comparison.

To put is simply, the Fury X has a lot of potential that goes underutilised in a lot of games, which a lot of Vega's improvements seem to target. As I have said before Vega will also need a more general performance boost to back this all up, as a better utilised Fury X design will not compete with modern GPUs. What AMD needs is a huge boost in clocks over the Fury X, which is why everyone is looking for clocks of around 1500MHz or higher.

The GTX 1070 does beat the 980Ti in DX12 for sure, especially if the game supports a Nvidia friendly implementation of Async Compute. In most DirectX 11 games, the performance differences are fairly minimal. The 980Ti tends to get higher gains when overclocking, so when both are overclocked they perform very similarly in most DX11 games.

Right now AMD's silence regarding Vega is worrying. Right now we know almost nothing about Vega apart from some of the GPU's core design changes and even then we do not really know how this will change Vega's performance characteristics in games. These changes will really help AMD with the compute market, but only AMD knows how it will affect games.

I really hope that AMD has been influenced by Microsoft's Project Scorpio SoC when creating Vega, as it seems that they have succeeded in getting just that little bit more from AMD's GPU design by making numerous changed based on developer input. These changes could prove very valuable for AMD when it comes to getting the most from DX11/12 games.
 
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It's the 1200mhz that is the problem. With big cores the clocks don't usually match that of the smaller ones. What I mean is the Fury X clocks like pants, where as the 480 can clock quite well.

I know Vega is smaller than the Fury X but it's still a tank GPU.

We also need to remember that Nvidia are light years away from AMD right now. They have billions to throw into their tech AMD don't.
 
It's the 1200mhz that is the problem. With big cores the clocks don't usually match that of the smaller ones. What I mean is the Fury X clocks like pants, where as the 480 can clock quite well.

I know Vega is smaller than the Fury X but it's still a tank GPU.

We also need to remember that Nvidia are light years away from AMD right now. They have billions to throw into their tech AMD don't.

You can't really compare the RX 480 to the Fury X, a better comparison would be the R9 390X, which had models the clocked to 1100MHz at stock. Even then the R9 390X consumed more power than the Fury X, due to architectural changes and the use of HBM memory.

The 480 is on a new manufacturing process and an updated architecture, so clock speed bumps are expected. Yes, big GPUs don't tend to clock as high as their lower-end counterparts, but it is the design changes that allow these higher clocks that are most important here.

What we need is for Vega to be AMD's Maxwell, offering a huge boost in clock speeds with no process node shrink. This needs to be more than just "big Polaris" in terms of GPU clock speeds.
 
You can't really compare the RX 480 to the Fury X, a better comparison would be the R9 390X, which had models the clocked to 1100MHz at stock. Even then the R9 390X consumed more power than the Fury X, due to architectural changes and the use of HBM memory.

The 480 is on a new manufacturing process and an updated architecture, so clock speed bumps are expected. Yes, big GPUs don't tend to clock as high as their lower-end counterparts, but it is the design changes that allow these higher clocks that are most important here.

What we need is for Vega to be AMD's Maxwell, offering a huge boost in clock speeds with no process node shrink. This needs to be more than just "big Polaris" in terms of GPU clock speeds.

But you are comparing the 1080 to the 980Ti.

The 1080 is tiny, far smaller than the 980Ti. When clocked to the same speed (see the Adored video) the 1080 is actually much slower. However, it's able to combat the massive deficit by clocking to stupidity.

AMD's clock speed differences are because they have chosen to stick with the kitchen sink (GCN for DX12). And whilst that may pay off in DX12 titles it's been made clear by Nvidia that massive clock speeds can easily make up the difference. So AMD are making bigger cores than Nvidia which will cost more, but they clock like doodoo so the Nvidia's with their stupid clocks (because they are small refined dies) are able to clock much higher.

Let's face it, Fury X was completely ruined by the lame clocks. If it could have reached the lofty heights of 1500mhz like the 980Ti it would be destroying the Ti now in DX12 titles..

But yeah, it all comes back to science dude. If you work it out scientifically per clock rate per GCN etc etc you come out with a 1070.

I really hope that is not the case.
 
Even if vega is at a 1080 level of performance i think there really pushing their luck as to how long they expect fans to wait, i just dont think they will have enough leeway in cost to justify the year delay. is vega matches a 1070 then itl be a death sentence for AMD's high end.
 
Also. The Fury X was a metric mile behind the 1070 back then too. It's only been with a large dose of DX12 and some pretty amazing drivers that it's started to play with the 1070.

One could say that the 1070 is partly as powerful as it is due to games being heavily optimised for them as well as Nvidia having an excellent driver team to marry that with. Nvidia's recent drivers offered large performance gains in DX12 titles.
 
This is definitely not the full Vega. Considering it will be at least 1500mhz clock speed and the fact that based off it's codename, this is the lower end model, C1 not C3. It's not in the article, but I've seen this "rumor" before. Seems more like clickbait.
 
All in all I was hoping for AMD, and I was waiting for VEGA.

Since I had not BOUGHT a new GPU since the 780 then I wanted to give team Red a chance... but after waiting SO long.. with cash in hand..

I have now gotten tired of waiting so I bought my self a 1080ti. A shame for AMD as I had been wanting to give them suport at the high end market. Now, no matter how good or bad VEGA will.be I wont buy....
 
All in all I was hoping for AMD, and I was waiting for VEGA.

Since I had not BOUGHT a new GPU since the 780 then I wanted to give team Red a chance... but after waiting SO long.. with cash in hand..

I have now gotten tired of waiting so I bought my self a 1080ti. A shame for AMD as I had been wanting to give them suport at the high end market. Now, no matter how good or bad VEGA will.be I wont buy....

That fair, there will always be that product that is "just around the corner" to wait for.

Once Vega is here it will be about Volta etc etc, it never ends. Similar situation with the 1080, "wait for the 1080 Ti" was the common thing to say back then.

If you want to buy, get the best that you can right now, unless something is known to just be a week or two away. With Vega we are likely waiting until the end of june.
 
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