AMD Ryzen motherboard and CPU pre-orders are now live
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Wraith
Bettyswollocks
Oh wow, that's something some men would pay good money for :lol: I'll just try not to have nightmares.haha you better sleep with one eye open ! I bet Lisa is just waiting for you to doze off before she comes and shoves a heap of LEDs up your arse
g0ggles1994
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I thought the X300 was for the mITX boards. Never mind, I've ordered an ATX board and a new case.
IM READY FOR RYZEN
AlienALX
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NickOmega
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I'm not sure if that helped :lol:
There's not really an explanation for why it's such a large difference in TDP, just a suggestion that the 1700 might not overclock as well as the "X" variant which puts the kaibosh on buying the cheaper one and manually clocking it to match the higher tier part.
AlienALX
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It runs 4-500mhz faster because it boosts itself depending on your cooling. When you have 8 cores with 16 threads every time you go up 100mhz the power demands rise also. 4-500mhz is an awful lot over 8c 16t man.
Now obviously the X versions are totally not worth buying if you know your way around a bios. However, a guy I know posted this earlier.
You realise 99.9999999% of all computer users and gamers don't overclock right? For most people outright clock for clock performance doesn't matter, they can get higher performance at $500 from a 1800X than from a 6900k at $1000, that is what most people care about, the clock speed is fairly irrelevant, though how you can say the clock speeds are mysterious when they are directly reported... I honestly don't know. A 6900k doesn't advertise an all core boost, because it's impossible to advertise as it changes from one application and load to the next.
Also unless you're benchmarking in a war zone... most benchmarking is done in a controlled environment. Controlled and untrustworthy usually means, reviews can't touch it, can't check the settings and don't know the hardware. AMD had the Intel computers on view, you could see the hardware, Linus(and others) all checked task manager/system info to compare and confirm and AMD went out of their way to use ROG boards and high quality memory in the Intel systems... which they didn't have to do.
TBH he is bang on the money. I don't even bother overclocking any more as it's not worth the aggro, time and heat (and of course more money out the window in power) but I just don't see any real time gains from it. And I am risking my hardware and these days? you can get replacement parts for CPUs for about five minutes after the fact. Then they all disappear, some clever finds out you can run a Xeon in that board and all of a sudden they cost two million pounds.
AMD are charging you for the overclock. And the stated TDP with those overclocks.
That's it. Everything else about Ryzen is the same. If you know how to type a higher number in a multi box in bios? buy the 1700. It may not be binned as well nor clock as high as the 1800x but everything about it is the same. It's the enthusiast chip, basically. The others are just for willy wavers and those who have to say they have the best.
But as we know, the best is usually not the most expensive. Sure, they may perform better but that doesn't make them better value, does it? Just like the guys buying 5960x at launch for a grand and those buying 6950x right now. None of them could stand up and say they were actually good value.
g0ggles1994
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Come on man don't be cruel, what did you get?
I've ordered a Corsair 400C Clear and an MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon. Best one for my budget and I absolutely love the look of it
Its going to be hard parting with my Node 804, love that case
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NickOmega
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All fair points I guess, but the clock speed difference doesn't seem to be that big when you look at the boost clocks of both and today's presentation rather pessimistically suggested another 100mhz with XFR.
The reason my interest is specifically the 1700 is because if I go with Ryzen 7 I was looking there for my next system (from a purely value for money standpoint... not because I'm tight or anything lol) but the much lower TDP threw me off somewhat.
Now I'm wondering if the 1700's will potentially be a CPU that failed to hold the higher speeds so had xfr disabled and clocks backed off. Obviously that's a concern that will be addressed when TTL gets one and clocks the nuts off it for the good of the readers :biggrin:
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
The difference is clock speed boost. Non X CPUs have a hard limit. To stay within TDP envelope of 65watts. 95 watt cpus have an unlimited boost range. Not to mention, the Non X CPUs also use weaker coolers, so it is also thermally limited by the cooler.
Dark NighT
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I've ordered a Corsair 400C Clear and an MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon. Best one for my budget and I absolutely love the look of it
Its going to be hard parting with my Node 804, love that case
OMG that mobo is so good looking! i want it when i buy ryzen after launch.
Excalabur50
Well-known member
The price to performance of these is going to be amazing and the Aussie prices are reasonable too
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It is. It was my second choice after the Crosshair. My favorite feautre of the board was the dual M.2. Awesome!
Only feature I wish the new boards had were dual LAN ports
But i am never going for Xfire. So honestly to me, B350 chipset will probably be it for me. I don't need an ATX board for one GPU. I'm waiting for more matx and itx boards before buying. If I buy..(i really want to but priorities and all)
Dawelio
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I've ordered a Corsair 400C Clear and an MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon. Best one for my budget and I absolutely love the look of it
Its going to be hard parting with my Node 804, love that case
For the first time ever, I actually really like the look of an MSI product
It is. It was my second choice after the Crosshair. My favorite feautre of the board was the dual M.2. Awesome!
Only feature I wish the new boards had were dual LAN ports
But i am never going for Xfire. So honestly to me, B350 chipset will probably be it for me. I don't need an ATX board for one GPU. I'm waiting for more matx and itx boards before buying. If I buy..(i really want to but priorities and all)
Anyone knows when ITX motherboards will be released?...
g0ggles1994
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I know, fell in love the moment I saw it, will look perfect in my build. I'll let you know what it's like, going to do a log for the build.
It is. It was my second choice after the Crosshair. My favorite feautre of the board was the dual M.2. Awesome!
Only feature I wish the new boards had were dual LAN ports
But i am never going for Xfire. So honestly to me, B350 chipset will probably be it for me. I don't need an ATX board for one GPU. I'm waiting for more matx and itx boards before buying. If I buy..(i really want to but priorities and all)
That's fair dude. I kinda backed myself up into a corner because I've been gunning for a day one build for so long I've already sold my old parts, so I can't wait terribly long. I may XFire in future depending on whether Polaris cards get a price cut if the Polaris refresh comes.
For the first time ever, I actually really like the look of an MSI product
Anyone knows when ITX motherboards will be released?...
Same, glad they've dropped the dragon they used to put. I would also like to know when the ITX boards are coming alongside the R5 CPUs, that's all I need to finish my Mrs build
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Ok, I chose my brace o' pistols and ordered the Ryzen 1800X and the Gigabyte Aurus Gaming K7 
I don't normally pre order stuff but a couple of things 'allowed' me to do it.
My last rig was a 2600K on a Z77 MSI board. Around 5 years old and OC for most of it. Any new rig is going to upgrade every thing about it so always on a winner there. The main thing though is that last Friday said well the worn MSI Z77 board decided it had had enough and signalled the fact with a small puff of smoke and a burning smell.
Now with it being my birthday in April and old faithful passing, the stars just aligned you see.
My new rig so far
R1800X and Aurus K7, 32 GB of G-Skill Trdent Z 3200 and Corsair 500 Nvme SSD, I'm in for a treat I think. My 980Ti can carry me over a couple of months until the shots are fired with this years graphics cards and I can chop down my credit card bill
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I don't normally pre order stuff but a couple of things 'allowed' me to do it. My last rig was a 2600K on a Z77 MSI board. Around 5 years old and OC for most of it. Any new rig is going to upgrade every thing about it so always on a winner there. The main thing though is that last Friday said well the worn MSI Z77 board decided it had had enough and signalled the fact with a small puff of smoke and a burning smell.
Now with it being my birthday in April and old faithful passing, the stars just aligned you see.
My new rig so far
R1800X and Aurus K7, 32 GB of G-Skill Trdent Z 3200 and Corsair 500 Nvme SSD, I'm in for a treat I think. My 980Ti can carry me over a couple of months until the shots are fired with this years graphics cards and I can chop down my credit card bill
.Doomslayer
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The pricing is better than some of the websites that said earlier pricing like $200 cheaper than originally.
AlienALX
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For the first time ever, I actually really like the look of an MSI product
Anyone knows when ITX motherboards will be released?...
September with the APUs is my prediction.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Unless they put the X300 chip in the mATX boards like they're doing for the ITX boards, I am also very disappointed with the lack of mATX form factors.
As for the pricing, I doubt I'll be buying from the UK. If OCUK charges £250 for the Crosshair, Mind Factory in Germany or any large German retailer will be charging €265-270, a significant reduction when currency exchange is processed. Buying from Germany is a lot cheaper than buying from the UK at the moment if Euro is your main currency, and it was a lot worse before the UK left the EU. Five to ten years ago, £250 would be €300. Then when the USD increased and the EURO dropped even further a few years ago, £250 shot up to €350 or more. Now since the UK left the EU it's back down to €300. That's great for me, but even with that it's still cheaper to buy from Germany and stay within the EU.
AlienALX
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Right now it is all about high end. All 8 core, all more than £300 (not saying that's a bad thing but you are looking at a minimum £500 entry level). That's a lot of money.
So what do the board manus do? sell their most expensive boards first. That's just how it is going to go man. Yeah there are cheaper boards but the emphasis right now is on the dear stuff.
There are a couple of perfectly reasonable MATX boards out there. Gigabyte make a rather nice looking one with a heatsink on the VRM area so it's better than nothing.
Other stuff will follow later, but if you were waiting on ITX then you may have a long wait. I don't think you will see that until September when the APU comes out, and I have a feeling that the cheaper ITX boards will not overclock at all with a 7 series. Just like the Asrock X99 ITX board they will be severely limited on overclocking. Max I ever saw out of a 5820k was 4.2ghz on one of those boards but that was a golden chip that needed very low volts (and thus didn't overload the VRMs causing them to throttle).
Asus et al all know what they are doing and they know the market far better than we do. I've seen a couple of guys on each of the forums I frequent moaning about the lack of ITX boards but they are the minority.
For example some guy on OCUK this morning said "Sod it CBA waiting for the good MATX boards have ordered a Aorus and a new case".
So what do the board manus do? sell their most expensive boards first. That's just how it is going to go man. Yeah there are cheaper boards but the emphasis right now is on the dear stuff.
There are a couple of perfectly reasonable MATX boards out there. Gigabyte make a rather nice looking one with a heatsink on the VRM area so it's better than nothing.
Other stuff will follow later, but if you were waiting on ITX then you may have a long wait. I don't think you will see that until September when the APU comes out, and I have a feeling that the cheaper ITX boards will not overclock at all with a 7 series. Just like the Asrock X99 ITX board they will be severely limited on overclocking. Max I ever saw out of a 5820k was 4.2ghz on one of those boards but that was a golden chip that needed very low volts (and thus didn't overload the VRMs causing them to throttle).
Asus et al all know what they are doing and they know the market far better than we do. I've seen a couple of guys on each of the forums I frequent moaning about the lack of ITX boards but they are the minority.
For example some guy on OCUK this morning said "Sod it CBA waiting for the good MATX boards have ordered a Aorus and a new case".
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