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Old 15-01-19, 05:14 AM
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Just priced these in Aus and DAYUM 650 to Asus's crack smoking 850

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Old 15-01-19, 05:22 PM
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Because the RTX 2060 performs on par with a GTX 1080 but is cheaper. That's not something you can say in the rest of the stack. I'm not comparing 2060 to 1060/960/760/etc, I'm comparing the 2060 to its closest performing card.
I get that, but you should not be comparing it to the 2080 that is like comparing a Fiat 500 to a Maserati.
Products should be compared to other products that are either in the same target space or previous gen any other comparison is just ludicrous because it give a false picture.
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Old 16-01-19, 07:02 AM
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Just priced these in Aus and DAYUM 650 to Asus's crack smoking 850
Asus aren't smoking - they're dealing. We're the poor buggers that keep buying them at those prices.
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Old 17-01-19, 02:51 PM
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I get that, but you should not be comparing it to the 2080 that is like comparing a Fiat 500 to a Maserati.
Products should be compared to other products that are either in the same target space or previous gen any other comparison is just ludicrous because it give a false picture.
Why should they? Who decided that? It seems somewhat arbitrary to follow it religiously as if no other factors are involved. The RTX 2060 is a bigger chip than the GTX 1080 with more advanced features. Obviously every new generation has 'advanced features', but Turing is notably advanced. It's a pioneering architecture, more of a revolution than an evolution. The comparison makes a lot of sense to me.
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Old 17-01-19, 03:17 PM
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Why should they? Who decided that? It seems somewhat arbitrary to follow it religiously as if no other factors are involved. The RTX 2060 is a bigger chip than the GTX 1080 with more advanced features. Obviously every new generation has 'advanced features', but Turing is notably advanced. It's a pioneering architecture, more of a revolution than an evolution. The comparison makes a lot of sense to me.
Because that just plays into nvidias hands and justifies them and price creep policy.
It is a low-mid range card so should have mid range pricing
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Because that just plays into nvidias hands and justifies them and price creep policy.
It is a low-mid range card so should have mid range pricing
That's not entirely true. The reason for the high price is not solely because people have accepted and justified from all sides a price increase. I don't like the pricing at all. But by me saying that Turing is a more expensive architecture to manufacture and Nvidia currently having no competition is an objective truth. It doesn't justify the price from a moral standpoint, from the standpoint of a consumer, but it helps explain why prices have increased. Not only that but prices fluctuate every year, and in some cases they go down. Compare the 780Ti and 780 to the 980Ti and 980. Competition was stronger at the time of the 780Ti and 780 yet they were very expensive. It was still on the 28nm process and didn't have very much VRAM. The 980Ti came out and totally undercut the Fury X while having more VRAM and better efficiency. AMD were less competitive with Fiji against Maxwell than they were with the R9 200 series against the GTX 700 series, yet the 700 series preceded the 900 series.

Ultimately, to me it's about comparing features, die sizes, specifications, performance, efficiency, etc. over comparing market target which is somewhat more vague, or chip numbers which is just an arbitrary nomenclature. Everyone compared the GTX 970 to the 780 and 780Ti. Should I get a 970 or a new old stock 780? Which is better? The 680 or the 770? It was the same chip but a different market. The comparison was perfectly legitimate. Was it always fair? No, not necessarily, but it was one way of comparing things out of a multitude.
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Great card with great price. Probably people will choose 2060s over 1080/1080tis
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The reason for the price is all down to market competition.


Take the 1080P Unigine Valley graph as an example - the 2060 sits right in the middle of the graph. Every card below it is an AMD card. Every card above it is an Nvidia card.


The closest competitor is the Vega RX64, and looking at prices right now the cheapest Vega64 is the MSI reference model card at £395 from Scan.


The cheapest 2060 is a tie between the Gigabyte Mini ITX model and the MSI Ventus at £340, both from Novatech.


So, Nvidia have bought out a card that performs better than the best card AMD have to offer, with a lot more features, for a cheaper price.


These are the facts of the argument. Everything else is just biased opinion.
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The obvious flaw in that argument being that beyond benchmarks that only really holds at 1080p in games with lower memory/bandwidth requirements, at 4K/high res textures/ect the RTX2060 trades blows with V56 in most real world games, which you can find vastly cheaper, while for 1080p you could argue a £350 card is kinda overkill.
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The reason for the price is all down to market competition.


Take the 1080P Unigine Valley graph as an example - the 2060 sits right in the middle of the graph. Every card below it is an AMD card. Every card above it is an Nvidia card.


The closest competitor is the Vega RX64, and looking at prices right now the cheapest Vega64 is the MSI reference model card at £395 from Scan.


The cheapest 2060 is a tie between the Gigabyte Mini ITX model and the MSI Ventus at £340, both from Novatech.


So, Nvidia have bought out a card that performs better than the best card AMD have to offer, with a lot more features, for a cheaper price.


These are the facts of the argument. Everything else is just biased opinion.
So an architecture costing objectively more to design and produce is a biased opinion?
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