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Old 26-02-13, 02:21 AM
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I'd be interested in seeing a comparison of the H220 with H100i fans vs the H100i with H220 fans, to see how big a difference the massive RPM of the corsair fans makes.

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Old 26-02-13, 02:22 AM
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Wait a second...this isn't one of those 40 fan push/pull scenarios...is it?!
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Old 26-02-13, 04:03 AM
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well as i expected, for this product..

i am currently running swiftech helix 120 fans (push, pull and push/pull) on my
H100 and @ 12volts (via molex) they battle the H100 OE fans and SP120 fans in
performance pretty well. about 4°-6° warmer under loaded conditons in all scenarios.
they are very quiet fans and do very well. also have used their helix 120pwm fans
as well with 1° warmer over the standard helix 120 fans.

kinda goes back to the designing of the system. a high density fin radiator needs
more fan speed/air flow to lower the temperatures. martin and skinee have shown
this extensively in testing on radiators. taking the same setup and putting SP120
fans should yield cooler results. but the trade-off is noise...

buying a pre-built system for beginners this can be an experience to have, if the
pricing stays $130ish.. any more and it begins to be uncompetitive.

i was hoping this to be a 10° better than AIO shelf kits currently. and i really dont
see where 10° could be gained to be a leader in the AIO market.

the idea is very smart and innovative, expensive R&D, and launch proud, but not a
15% higher price point performer.
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Old 26-02-13, 11:41 AM
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Wow I simply cannot believe how much has been posted on this thread that is by the looks of it to me is, trying to say that Tom is biased in the review.


There are a few places that I look at when looking for reviews about hardware etc, and only 1 of them will test a cooler like this with the same fans on each different cooler (Noctua), using the same hardware etc but I don't like the fact that the person in questions video's are so short and don't go in to great detail.

With TTL's videos I have seen enough, of them to know that the thermal paste used on EVERY cooler is the same since iirc, he did all the test's again for the coolers, because the hardware changed and he moved everything in to a case instead of a test bench, and also the hardware etc is the same, and that the test's are done using the fans provided with the cooler, and that the cpu is tested at 3 speeds if the cooler can cope with it.

Every other review site may show different result's than what TTL got, but to be honest not every site will have the same results everytime but if you are looking at buying something then you should, be looking at mulitple reviews and not just going of a single or 2 reviews.


Given the fact that TTL is in the same country as me, and 90% of the times the weather is the same I know that the temp's that TTL get's are basically what I will get with something, give or take a few degrees for the ambient air temp.

This cooler is a no go for me regardless of temps though simply because I prefer to use a custom loop, but if I was going to use a cooler like this for someones pc then I would use this over a Corsair simply because in the future it could be expanded on without, having to pay for a Pump, Res and CPU block and rad, although I would add another Rad in the loop.

Whilst TTL is sponsored by Corsair I 100% believe that he is not biased towards Corsair hardware, and I fully 100% believe that he will not say something is bad or fudge the results to make people, believe that a Corsair product is better just because it's Corsair.

As for the Tubing being on the GPU, if the GPU was being put under load then potentially it could affect the temperature of the fluid in the tubes, but it wasn't under load so it's not going to affect the temps provided.

I mean seriously what do people want TTL to do when testing a Cooler?

The only way I could see the results really being changed or affected which, would then cause issues for people who buy something based on TTL's results, would be for it to be done in a room where it's always at the same Ambient Temp, the same fans are used all the time with the fans provided not being used, and only 1 cpu speed being used.

The issues that would cause though is that, not everyone will have the abillity to run a room at a consistent temp, and not everyone is going to run the same fans that TTL would have to use and they would, use what ever fans come with the cooler or what ever fans they buy that they like, and also not every person is going to be running the same cpu at the same speed.


Not to mention though and this is what suprises me that some people have not mentioned, is that you could have 2 pc's in the same room which is always kept at say 24c via air con, the cpu's are both ran at stock using the exact same voltage, using the same type of cooler let's say the Noctua D14, you could find that 1 cpu runs at say 60c per core and the other could run at 50c per core or 70c per core, because not every cpu heat spreader is the same and neither is the base on the cooler, so what would people say then would they say that the cooler wasn't fitted correctly or that to much paste was used etc, even if it was using the paste applied at the factory on the cooler, and that the cooler had let's say the same mounting style as the AMD cpu's which means you are not really, going to be able to fit the cooler incorrectly.

Personally I think if people want to question a review that's fine, but I hate it when the reviewers integrity is questioned because of something, considering looking at previous reviews there was never a question of it.

I also like the fact that TTL's results are real world results because most people that I know are not, running air con so the graphics card heat add's to the ambient air temp, and also if there are other things running in the room that add to the air temp such as a plasma tv.

With my setup, when I used my 42" tv as a monitor and I was gaming my temp's on everything was around 5c to 10c higher, than they are now that I am using a 27" monitor because the heat from the monitor is far, far less than that, that was produced from the tv.

Sorry for the rant, but I just get annoyed with stuff like this when someones integrity is called in to question because there review is different to others, especially when everything is different.
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Old 26-02-13, 11:43 AM
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Official pricing has come in at £106.99 so as prmised in the video Ive changed the award to a gold.
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Old 26-02-13, 11:53 AM
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that's a nice price considering it is an expandable system
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Old 26-02-13, 12:08 PM
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That's a good price and indeed that would warrant a better award.

I know you tested all the coolers on the same system hardware, I was just wondering if they were all tested in the same case + gpu, or if some of these are from the bench rig?
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Old 26-02-13, 12:32 PM
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That's a good price and indeed that would warrant a better award.

I know you tested all the coolers on the same system hardware, I was just wondering if they were all tested in the same case + gpu, or if some of these are from the bench rig?
Tom retested all of these in the new test rig/case after his old test rig died.
so they all have the same everything
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Old 26-02-13, 01:19 PM
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Official pricing has come in at £106.99 so as prmised in the video Ive changed the award to a gold.
Not a bad price at all. At that level I can see it only encouraging more people into watercooling. It would be interesting to see what people end up doing with it, and how they expand on it. Additionally, I wonder at what point in a build people choose to move on and go totally custom.

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Old 26-02-13, 01:36 PM
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When I first was looking at just doing my cpu I would be tempted for 1 of these, it's not that hard a deal to add another rad and gpu block. I think that's what will tempt ppl
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