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Old 09-10-20, 06:13 PM
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AMD may not have shown its strongest RDNA 2/Big Navi GPU at their Ryzen event

Does AMD have a stronger graphics card in the works?



Read more about AMD's RDNA 2 teaser and a possible bigger Navi GPU.

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Old 09-10-20, 06:21 PM
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It could go two ways. AMD are trolling for excellent reviews, or they are trying to prevent disappointment and stop the hype train of "Fast as a 3090" that has been going on.

What I mean is if they are sandbagging then when the reviews go live every one goes from disappointed to "OMG check it out !".

However, from plenty of experience of AMD GPU releases I would be scared to stick my neck out and assume they were indeed sandbagging. They may just be doing some damage limitation.

I hate feeling that way, but every time I have gotten excited about a new AMD GPU it's usually as bad as Nvidia's BS.
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Old 09-10-20, 06:36 PM
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All companies like to cherry pick results, I'm thinking at best we'll get 3080 performance, Going by AMD's sneak peak results, But with 16GB memory.

Nvidia will then announce around February that they are releasing the 3080 Ti which will have a few hundred CUDA cores less than the 3090 and 4GB less memory with improved clocks etc...

I can see the situation being exactly like when the 780 and 290X launched, Nvidia countered with the 780 Ti.
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Old 09-10-20, 06:44 PM
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All companies like to cherry pick results, I'm thinking at best we'll get 3080 performance, Going by AMD's sneak peak results, But with 16GB memory.

Nvidia will then announce around February that they are releasing the 3080 Ti which will have a few hundred CUDA cores less than the 3090 and 4GB less memory with improved clocks etc...

I can see the situation being exactly like when the 780 and 290X launched, Nvidia countered with the 780 Ti.
You can see that all you like but the truth is Nvidia don't have more to give. The 3090 is very close to the $6000 "quadro" card now.

And let's face it, even if they had left bigger gaps in the performance here (which they clearly haven't as the 3090 is a lolcard not worth buying) then they would need better bins to pull that off. Which let's face it, we know are not happening. They can't even get enough dies out the door for what they have released, let alone start pushing out better ones.

That's why they sandbagged on VRAM dude. It's to leave that question in your head of "Is that enough?" and then they come along with ones with twice that on them and you decide it's somehow faster. Better in a way yes, but not faster.

They may have very clearly undershot the VRAM of the 3070 too, and hence they have pulled that for now. Or delayed it, right until after AMD launch.

Especially as from the sound of it both of AMD's high end cards coming out (or was it three?) are all rumoured to be carrying 16gb.
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Old 09-10-20, 07:56 PM
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Been thinking about this a lot.

Right now the rumour mill is alight with 80 CU (TSMC supposed leak) and 2ghz+ easy. This is based on a presentation AMD did last year and one of their guys talked about "Multi GHZ GPUs" IE multi meaning more than one. So at least two.

With the assumed spec the Navi 21 should be faster than the 3080. Not as fast, or sometimes slower.

However all of that aside?

Tell me from the past when a company has ever "bolted their load" 20 days before a launch? that is the part that makes no sense to me, unless they are just trying to up 3080 pre orders to annoy Jen.

"It's as fast as a 3080" - I will wait for AMD then, said no Nvidia fan ever.

I switched over the live stream to Not An Apple Fan (but clearly an AMD one) after the event ended. He looked absolutely gutted. So is this damage limitation? or are AMD truly playing a game here, going on the "Nobody tells you how fast their product is 20 days before the effing launch".?
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Hahaha, this has put the cat amongst the chickens AMD have been playing with leakers and influencers all year, the 150W and 10 Core Ryzen's spring to mind.
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Hahaha, this has put the cat amongst the chickens AMD have been playing with leakers and influencers all year, the 150W and 10 Core Ryzen's spring to mind.
TBH that may be exactly what they are doing tbh.

I thought "Not An Apple Fan" was going to cry when they showed those GPU benchmarks.
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Even if it was the top card, it still could be a really good thing. If it was to get close to the 3080 and then undercut it on price to force some price cuts from Nvidia, everyone wins.

Anyone remember the HD 4870 from 12 or so years back? It didn't beat the GTX 280 at the time, but it came really really close while undercutting it big time on price. It ended up being a roaring success and proved quite popular in the end. I got one - it was my 1st ever card from Team Red, kept it for almost 4 years too.

I'm kind of hoping for something similar if I'm honest. Time will tell though.
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If they can match 3080 in pure vertex processing, they still need to undercut them due to inferior tech. Not only DLSS and RTX, but unstable drivers.


But I think they can churn out a cracking 1440p card at reasonable money.
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If they can match 3080 in pure vertex processing, they still need to undercut them due to inferior tech. Not only DLSS and RTX, but unstable drivers.


But I think they can churn out a cracking 1440p card at reasonable money.
Something that consumes far less power will never be inferior.

With Navi (the original) it wasn't so much bad drivers. There was a flaw on the chip itself that caused the black screen. So whatever they did to fix that disabled whatever it was that was the bug.

I had a bug on my Vega 64 (pink screen crash) that was never fixed. So I hope this time they have worked a little harder and maybe at least invested a little more heavily into it.

Especially if they are going to start demanding more money for their products. Which they have been since Nvidia artificially inflated all the prices. They've been cosily slotting their inferior GPUs in behind Nvidia and charging ever so slightly less for them, whilst at the same time expecting people to put up with issues.

AMD's drivers are actually IMO better than Nvidia's. Their front end is miles better than Nvidia's aged old crap too. There was a while there when they were really focusing hard on drivers and improving games with every launch. Then they seemed to just let off the gas some and yeah, the "insert colour here" screen issues started.
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