Tuxedo Refresh

[robbiec]

Giving Tuxedo a makeover for Christmas.

Carrying Over:
Seasonic Prime 1000W Gold
Lian-Li PC-011 Dynamic
Aquacomputer: Aquaero 6 LT, D5 Next, Cuplex Kryos Next, Hubby7, Splitty7
XSPC RX360 V2 Radiator
Asus Crosshair VIII Hero
Asus Hyper M.2 v2 Card
2 x Addlink S70 1TB NVMe3
Cherry MX Board 1.0
Steelseries Sensei

Selling on:
AMD R9 3900X
AMD Vega VII
2 x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB
2 x TeamGroup 8 Pack DDR3200 C14
Oculus Rift
10 x Noiseblocker PL2
XSPC 240 V2 Radiator
Dell U2518D Monitor

Coming in:
AMD Ryzen R9 59xx
AMD RX6xxx
2 x Sabrent Rocket 1TB NVMe4 (Prime day specials)
2 x 16GB DDR4 C16 (Option to upgrade to 64GB in the future)
Eve Spectrum 27" 4K IPS 144Mhz
HP Reverb G2

TBD:
Fans, do I go with NB Eloops, Noctua industrial or something else altogether?

Layout: At the moment I have one 360 standing vertically with a 240 on top horizontally, thinking 2 x 360 horizontally in pull on the bottom and push on the top.


CPU - 12 or 16 Core, depends on the day, hour, where the moon is on which CPU i'm leaning towards at any given time.

So at the moment Tuxedo is running ok, handles mostly everything I throw at it , just will be unable to handle a Reverb G2 so fixing that and tidying up some bits and bobs.

 

[robbiec]

Well the Sabrent's arrived with 1 DOA, looked to Mr Amazon for a RMA and that was a no go for 1/2 devices, they did offer me to keep it and take 50 quid but my soldering skills aren't up to that. The dodgy one heats up massively so packing both up for a refund, pity, it was a good price. Samsung 980 PRO 2TB, here we go.

 

[robbiec]

R9 5950X on order. Had read somewhere that orders were opening later this afternoon so I should get it by Christmas

 

[jaspervandervalk]

Looks like it is going to be a monster!

 

[robbiec]

Got a double digit queue number from OCUK today for the 5950X so might even hope it arrives before my birthday (Dec 11th)

I'm leaning towards the 6800XT now instead of the 6900XT - I'll go for a reference card and throw a waterblock on it so whatever I can get on the day One thing I will be watching is the release times, OCUK had changed from 5pm to 2pm the night before and I wasn't paying attention.

 

[robbiec]

Looks like it is going to be a monster!

Sufficient performance It's a constantly evolving build that sometimes goes months without being tweaked or touched to weeks on end with the case open where it might get completely stripped and rebuilt.
The oldest parts now are the radiators, fans followed by one of the HDDs (8yrs for fans & one of the rads)
Case, NVMe, memory are about 9 to 18 months old
GPU and CPU coming up to 18 months and 16 months respectively.
MB is less than 3 months old.
Aquacomputer stuff varies too going from about 3yrs to a couple of months.

To the wider audience, do you reckon I might be able to get away with a 65x360 rad running push/pull on its own?

 

[Bartacus]

A single 360 for those 2? No way no how IMHO. My preference would be double 360s *minimum*, triple 360s preferred. But this entire hobby is mostly opinion-based, LOL! But a 16 core CPU and that GPU won't be cooled comfortably with a single 360. Your liquid temp would be way too warm for my liking.

 

[robbiec]

A single 360 for those 2? No way no how IMHO. My preference would be double 360s *minimum*, triple 360s preferred. But this entire hobby is mostly opinion-based, LOL! But a 16 core CPU and that GPU won't be cooled comfortably with a single 360. Your liquid temp would be way too warm for my liking.

Keep with the 600mm combo then
I'm swapping out the PL2's for NB eLoop PWM jobbies, they can go upto 2000rpm so should have enough static grunt to cool 500W or so.
The 5950X should arrive the week after next if I'm to believe an update from OCUK. Missed out on the 6800XT rush, still ed off with it, links put up on Twitter first before regular customers.
Need some advice on the drain pipe setup, currently it is a t junction into pump inlet with a 200mm tube into a ballvalve. I was thinking of taking the tube away and putting a ball valve onto the end of the t junction with the tube being fitted as needed? Also running from pump to lower side of card instead of upper side as currently.
I also have a 3D printer coming soonish means I'll be able to print a mount for the Aquaero and Hubby to make them more respectable and I'm thinking 3 shrouds to allow the fans suck air directly in from the side panel more easily.

 

[robbiec]

It's arrived!

 

[robbiec]

Popped it in, recognised straight away and been running Cinebench R20 to get a feel for temps and see if anything funky showing up. Set the memory (2 x 8GB Team Group 8 Pack B-Dies) to 3600 with 16-17-16-16-39 (random no's I threw in, relatively relaxed) and Fblk of 1800 and up she booted. My saved profiles are null and void. Multi core just scraped the 10K with a 10017 but the temps just touched 60C max and back down to 30C within 90 seconds. Deffo need to spend a few hours dialling it in - there is a hint of hesitancy when opening stuff and that is normally down to memory. One of the CCDs is running about 8C hotter than the other so might tune up the Cuplex a bit.

Aida giving low mem scores too with 53, 51 and 47 GB/s for Read, Write and Copy respectively and a 67ns latency which is well off what I was expecting. More to come for sure!

 

[robbiec]

I am struggling with the 5950X. I can cope with the cooling even with Asus's crazy voltages thanks to the Cuplex - it really does a good job or I managed to nail the just right amount of thermal grizzly Memory wise, I can't go over 1866 on Infinity Fabric with the latest Crosshair VIII 3303 bios. That's ok, as I know that AMD are doing work on helping compatibility at 2K for IF or I may have just gotten a chip that does not like 2K or 1900.
Memory wise - I added a couple of 8GB sticks to bring dual rank into play and on Aida64 getting scores in or around this mark but its jumpy.



Fans wise I've gotten these:



Noisy little buggers at full whack but they do shift the air. I only got two of them to begin with but hooked up and controlled via the Aquaero, 1400rpm is usefully windy and quiet but I can scale up to around 2600rpm if desired - Useful.

 

[robbiec]

6800 arrived. Now the 5950X gets 600mm of cooling to itself for a while.
Full strip down, going matt black tubing. Smaller run tube wise. Hoover out the dust. Fit a 90 deg angle to the USB 3.0 internal header (I've missed the front 2 ports). Run the Noctua's directly into the Aquaero. Flush the rads and Cuplex. Post some pictures.

Bit disappointed I didn't manage an XT but Big Navi (even the runt should be a step up. I'll fix that next year!

 

[robbiec]

Some pics as promised

Extra RAM - using TeamGroup 8-Pack stuff nominally 3200/14



Changed to matt black tubing from EK. Shortened drain run.

So 240 rad on top, feeding into a 360 on the side to pump to cpu to 240. The new Noctua's are doing the pulling on the 360. Aquaero on the bottom with the 7 port usb hub sittling alongside.

Perf wise

Memory I can only get to 3733 with Infinity Fabric of 1866 - think its a bios limitation more than anything else.

PC Mark 10 - Not recognising, even after a fresh install the day before yesterday.



Novabench recognises ok though

 

[robbiec]

Tuxedo is done short of a block for the RX6800 but I think it's maxed out as it is @2.45Ghz core and 2.1Ghz mem on fast timings so probably won't bother. So finito. Thanks for looking.

However I did take delivery of this earlier in the week to go with another 5950X ��

Asus Pro WS X570 Ace - heart of Nano Edge!





Strange set of accessories

 

[robbiec]

Couple of tweaks to Tuxedo - got in a couple of SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus 2TB, Addlink S70s 1TB are now residing in a Asus RAID Card for a total of 6TB NVMe storage and 8TB of spinning rust. Noiseblockers are being replaced by Noctua NF-12 PPC's - I have them running at about 1750rpm.
Lastly I've ordered a Aquacomputer Leakshield to fit my D5 Next / Aqualis 150 combo.

Ive debated going with a new Lian-Li 010D XL or EVO as the Dynamic + Crosshair VIII + fat 360 vertically have a clearance problem for the internal USB 3.1 port. You can't fit the cable as the rad lacks clearance, you can't put a 90 deg adapter facing down as it points into metal, you can't face up as it the 6800 gets in the way - solution = move 6800 to second PCIe 16, and use a 90 deg adapter facing up.

 

[robbiec]

Hmm.. when you sacrifice filters over airflow and work in a dusty attic



So full stripdown and cleanout required.

Took out the rads and I had a Mayhem's blitz set up on the shelves so rinsed them out, hoovered them out and filled with Blitz P1 overnight. Bit of crud came out but nothing massive.

I then rebuilt a loop out of the case and have started the Blitz P2 stage - been running for about 4 hours.

In the meantime, case got stripped completely, hoovered, wiped down and as I was taking pictures, spotting more dust so I went to work with some cotton earbuds



Looked clean enough so time to start putting bits back in starting with my trusty AquaComputer Hubby7



then the AquaComputer Aquaero 6LT



To hold it in place I use plastic standoffs:





Moving around the back, I have one of my latest AquaComputer toys, namely a SPLITTY9 ACTIVE which I have mounted above the HDD drive bay as it takes SATA power and I just need a single cable run from the Seasonic to power the HDDs and Fan Hub.





HDDs then were taken out of caddies, wiped down and reassembled dust free:



Trying to keep on top of cables as I go:





Meanwhile, Mr Mayhem's Blitz P2 is working away









Drain, Flush, Fill, Drain,Flush, Drain - Then I'll strip the loop down, disassemble the D5 and Aqualis 150 for a proper clean and then I can add this to the setup:

 

[Dicehunter]

Hmm.. when you sacrifice filters over airflow and work in a dusty attic

You thought of investing in an air purifier that pretty much sucks the dust out of the air ? I bought one from Phillips last year, Keeps general dust to a minimum and I just hoover out the filter

 

[robbiec]

Yep, have one in the house, never thought to use it beside the PC though.
This refresh is giving me gyp. Getting intermittent C5 and D4 CPU errors and the Leakshield is a complete PITA to setup.

 

[robbiec]

Sorted the C5 errors and now beginning to understand the difference between watertight and airtight (one of my rotary fittings is watertight but not airtight it seems)

A couple of observations on Leakshield
- Documentation is pretty poor - No real step by step guide to what to do and look out for
- With my Aqualis Top on the D5, once you install the Leakshield and build the loop you must also build in a separate release outlet (this is because the top is part of the overall sealing mechanism for the overall reservoir), preferably towards the top to allow drainage (no mention of that in the docs)
- It has to be said that running a pipe into a bottle, selecting fill mode, watching it build negative pressure and suck the coolant in is pretty cool
- Lastly, it seems to be best to prefill your radiators as the fill function only really works for the drain pipe and reservoir

 

[WYP]

Nice to see this update. Good to see some thoughts on the Leakshield.