TN Panels - are they all the same?

[wrenaudrey]

My question is that are all TN panel colour quality and overall quality the same?
For instance, i have here on my other computer a 19" LG Flatron E1940S-PN and the colour on it is just hideous!
However i have another monitor for my main computer, an 23"/24" Acer S231HL and the colour is alot better than the LG and is alot more pleasing to look at(the colours on it)

The reason is that, im planning to buy a 120Hz 3D monitor and 98% of the 3D monitors with at least 120hz out there is made from TN panels. The monitor im particularly in favour to is the BenQ XL2420TX.
Im just worried that if i buy the BenQ it'll be more like the LG with the hideous colours

 

[jamesriley94]

They aren't all the same no.
Reviews will tell you what the colours are like though.

I would suggest you get a nice IPS panel over the 120hz panel.
3D is a bit gimmicky tbh, and the colour reproduction and brightness outweighs 120hz IMO - and many other's opinions on these forums.

 

[Deejeta]

The BenQ XL2420TX will be a much nicer screen. That old 19 inch thing is a very budget orientated monitor and is so far removed from being comparable to the BenQ screen.
TN panels these days are pretty good. I personally dont like them after using an IPS screen for so long. A lot comes down the the build quality of the monitor itself - backlighting etc.

 

[wrenaudrey]

They aren't all the same no.
Reviews will tell you what the colours are like though.

I would suggest you get a nice IPS panel over the 120hz panel.
3D is a bit gimmicky tbh, and the colour reproduction and brightness outweighs 120hz IMO - and many other's opinions on these forums.

What exactly do i need to look at when on the 'colours' bit on monitor reviews?

The BenQ XL2420TX will be a much nicer screen. That old 19 inch thing is a very budget orientated monitor and is so far removed from being comparable to the BenQ screen.
TN panels these days are pretty good. I personally dont like them after using an IPS screen for so long. A lot comes down the the build quality of the monitor itself - backlighting etc.

What exactly should i be looking at about the 'build quality' of a monitor? eg. What backlighting should it be or whats better than what?



What brand of IPS monitors should i be considering at looking?
Which one have you got?
What's the best IPS monitor that's not too expensive but still has the good features and stuff?- y'know balance ratio between price to performance

 

[jamesriley94]

LG, Iiyama and Dell.

LG make most of the IPS panels used by all 3 companies - so when comparing the LG IPS234V-PN with the Iiyama X2377HDS - as they use the same screen panel behind, only the price and aesthetics and potentially warranty really matter.

The Dell screens tend to look a little nicer, and the outer casing is generally a higher quality, but the actual screen display behind is no better than the other companies, and they cost more. So it's up to you whether you want to pay the premium for the outer casing.


I use the Iiyama X2377HDS. I have 3 myself, and also have 3 mates all with the same screen. We all love ours, and none of us have had any problems at all with them. The picture quality is superb - far better than any TN panel, and by that, I mean seriously better. But as i said earlier, if you can get the LG equivalent for £10 cheaper go with that as they're practically the same thing.

You don't need to spend anywhere near as much as the BenQ 120hz screen to get a very good IPS screen.
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials...descreen+IPS+Monitor+-+Black+?productId=45875
That for example is a great high quality screen for less than half the price of the BenQ.

If you did want to spend more however, you could get one of the 27inch screens with a higher resolution:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Moni...descreen+IPS+Monitor+-+Black+?productId=53190
Or, there is the Asus one that Tom reviewed not long ago:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009668Y...de=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B009668YPM

 

[wrenaudrey]

LG, Iiyama and Dell.

LG make most of the IPS panels used by all 3 companies - so when comparing the LG IPS234V-PN with the Iiyama X2377HDS - as they use the same screen panel behind, only the price and aesthetics and potentially warranty really matter.

The Dell screens tend to look a little nicer, and the outer casing is generally a higher quality, but the actual screen display behind is no better than the other companies, and they cost more. So it's up to you whether you want to pay the premium for the outer casing.


I use the Iiyama X2377HDS. I have 3 myself, and also have 3 mates all with the same screen. We all love ours, and none of us have had any problems at all with them. The picture quality is superb - far better than any TN panel, and by that, I mean seriously better. But as i said earlier, if you can get the LG equivalent for £10 cheaper go with that as they're practically the same thing.

You don't need to spend anywhere near as much as the BenQ 120hz screen to get a very good IPS screen.
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials...descreen+IPS+Monitor+-+Black+?productId=45875
That for example is a great high quality screen for less than half the price of the BenQ.

If you did want to spend more however, you could get one of the 27inch screens with a higher resolution:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Moni...descreen+IPS+Monitor+-+Black+?productId=53190
Or, there is the Asus one that Tom reviewed not long ago:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009668Y...de=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B009668YPM

I gather that you dont really play games much, specially FPS games? hehe
Or maybe you have a separate rig all together with a different monitor? :lol:

 

[yassarikhan786]

I gather that you dont really play games much, specially FPS games? hehe
Or maybe you have a separate rig all together with a different monitor? :lol:

IPS panel monitors are fine for FPS games. I'm not sure how they cope with competitive play, but for the average joe gamer they are more than fine. I've played numerous FPS titles on my IPS panel monitor and I've never been disappointed.

 

[wrenaudrey]

The 27" Dell and Asus IPS had 8ms response time and that threw me off a bit.
I then copied and pasted the monitor that jamesriley has and found that it had 5ms reponse time and that put a smile on my face.
I've got a 5ms response time monitor right now and it does not do bad at all in BF3, so im guessing 5ms in a IPS monitor would be even better with the better colour reproduction

 

[SuB]

I gather that you dont really play games much, specially FPS games? hehe
Or maybe you have a separate rig all together with a different monitor? :lol:

Not really mate, I play ALOT of FPS, almost exclusively FPS, and a Dell IPS is where I'm happiest...

p.s. Anything below 10ms is FINE!

 

[Assume]

The 27" Dell and Asus IPS had 8ms response time and that threw me off a bit.
I then copied and pasted the monitor that jamesriley has and found that it had 5ms reponse time and that put a smile on my face.
I've got a 5ms response time monitor right now and it does not do bad at all in BF3, so im guessing 5ms in a IPS monitor would be even better with the better colour reproduction

I don't understand why people are so uptight when it comes to response time. 8ms is .008 of a second. It doesn't make a big difference.

 

[wrenaudrey]

Not really mate, I play ALOT of FPS, almost exclusively FPS, and a Dell IPS is where I'm happiest...

p.s. Anything below 10ms is FINE!

Which dell IPS have you got?


Does any one know which is the newer out of these two: LG IPS234V & LG IPS235V - and whats the difference between them?

 

[Assume]

Which dell IPS have you got?


Does any one know which is the newer out of these two: LG IPS234V & LG IPS235V - and whats the difference between them?

I don't know the difference between those two but the difference between the LG IPS235V and the IPS235T is the V has HDMI and the T doesn't.

 

[wrenaudrey]

I don't know the difference between those two but the difference between the LG IPS235V and the IPS235T is the V has HDMI and the T doesn't.

Looks like you cant get the T version here in the UK originally. Just like the X2420TX

But it'd be silly not to take the one with the HDMI anyway

 

[jamesriley94]

As said - response times are absolutely fine. Half of the listed ones are completely off anyway. When the Dell or LG IPS panels came out (can't remember which) the response time was listed as like 17ms, which massively put people off. But that then changed to 6ms for the same screen.
It really doesn't make a lot of difference.

The differences are probably just slightly different models of panel, or slight variations.
I got a single X2377HDS, then 2 months later ordered another 2, slightly different batch I think as the colours were slightly off between the first and the second two, so I ended up selling the first and getting another. So it's most likely just a different batch of the panels.

Higher numbers most often mean newer.

And no - I barely play games anymore... But when I used to, I loved my screens - and I had no problems whatsoever with response times or anything like that.

 

[SuB]

Which dell IPS have you got?


Does any one know which is the newer out of these two: LG IPS234V & LG IPS235V - and whats the difference between them?

the one on offer at aria lol

http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=50381

well worthit

i currently also have a dell 2407wfp and the colour difference is noticable, and my 2407 has GOOD colour seriously thinking of getting another 2412 now

 

[wrenaudrey]

Thank you all for your feedback.

Final questions:
I wached a video on utube, think it was linus reviewing this monitor and he mentioned that something had a cap on this particularly hardware/connectivity for monitors, but i cant quite remember what it was.
Is it that DVI-D is only capable of max resolution of 2560x1440?
TN panels have a max res of 2560x1440?
IPS panels have max res of 2560x1440?

+what's the refresh rate of IPS panels? Is there a 120hz? :L

 

[jamesriley94]

The panels don't have a max resolution at all...not sure what you mean by that.

You can get 2560x1600 TV and IPS monitors.
You can also get 4K monitors - not mainstream yet, but they are available if you have £50k to spend. They're 3840x2160.

IPS panels are 60hz. They aren't available at 120hz.

 

[njallday]

Regarding any monitor, your enemy is input lag, not response time. The differences between 2ms, 5ms, and 8ms response times are minimal. Besides, that's all manufacturer bs. I recently got a Dell U2312HM because it has a 0.8 ms input lag, where some monitors have a 20-30ms input lag.

 

[NRG!]

Not all TN panels are equal, but no TN panel looks like an IPS/PLS. The fluidity of motion on 120hz is hard to describe, the benefit of 120hz is not just in the input lag reduction but also in lower pixel response times.

The downside is that the colours on TN are already not as good as IPS and colours change depending on your viewing angle.

 

[wrenaudrey]

Regarding any monitor, your enemy is input lag, not response time. The differences between 2ms, 5ms, and 8ms response times are minimal. Besides, that's all manufacturer bs. I recently got a Dell U2312HM because it has a 0.8 ms input lag, where some monitors have a 20-30ms input lag.

This 'input lag' are these on the specs sheet of monitors?
Is there a higher input lag on IPS vs TN?

Not all TN panels are equal, but no TN panel looks like an IPS/PLS. The fluidity of motion on 120hz is hard to describe, the benefit of 120hz is not just in the input lag reduction but also in lower pixel response times.

The downside is that the colours on TN are already not as good as IPS and colours change depending on your viewing angle.

So would you say there is higher 'whoa' factor with having 120hz or would the colour reproduction of IPS panels be better - in gaming?