Ryzen: Yes or no?

[Dawelio]

Hey guys,

So I’ve just ordered an 1700X and ASUS ROG STRIX X370-I Gaming motherboard, since it was cheap during black friday.

Although I am a bit worried now regarding the whole AMD and specifically Ryzen. Due to the issues it’s all having. Like I read yesterday about cold boot issues?.

I’ve never updated an BIOS before, due to never needing to with Intel platforms. Specially now with all of these AGESA updates for AMD.

So my question is this, should I stay with my 6850K or still go with the new 1700X?.

Thanks guys,
Chrazey

 

[Dark NighT]

Updating a bios is so easy if you just pay a bit of attention to correct bios file before updating it, just don't cut the power or reset it during the update and it will be fine.

Just run the kit imo, if you don't like it you could return or sell it.

 

[AlienALX]

Yes. You only hear about issues because people love to moan. What about all of the thousands, nae, millions of users who have had no issues?

Stop stressing dude you will be fine

 

[Dicehunter]

So my question is this, should I stay with my 6850K or still go with the new 1700X?.

AFAIK Ryzen and Broadwell-E have the same IPC, Roughly the same single and multi threaded performance according to Cinebench, So basically with the Ryzen chip you have a 6900K, So yes, Sell the 6850K and use the funds for a random system upgrade.

Also, Updating a bios is sooooo easy, Just download the correct one, Unzip it to a USB stick, Go into bios and update, Just make sure to touch nothing and don't turn anything off during the update process.

 

[AverageNinja]

As someone who's using Ryzen personally, it's not perfect. But neither is Intel. I do have cold boot issues, but they're not a deal breaker at all. Basically, when I start my rig in the morning, it does the post cycle twice. All in all it takes less than 10 seconds longer, which is not a deal breaker IMO.

My particular system also has some minor issues with RAM stability, but that's because I lost the silicon lottery with my CPU. You shouldn't have this issue with your 1700x. Just keep your BIOS up to date, and don't worry too much. Most of the serious issues have been resolved, and Ryzen is only going to improve in the coming few years.

 

[AlienALX]

AFAIK Ryzen and Broadwell-E have the same IPC, Roughly the same single and multi threaded performance according to Cinebench, So basically with the Ryzen chip you have a 6900K, So yes, Sell the 6850K and use the funds for a random system upgrade.

Nope. It is comparable to Broadwell E, but as I demonstrated the other day is actually much faster because of the improved SMT and memory speed/IF.

Ryzen at 4ghz is dead level with a 4.7ghz BE chip. Same cores, same threads.

Seriously, if Ryzen hits 4.5ghz Intel are in trouble. Kaby is faster than Ryzen, Skylake comparable but they do 5ghz. But yeah, it ain't Broadwell E dude. And it absolutely slaughters Haswell too.

 

[Dicehunter]

Nope. It is comparable to Broadwell E, but as I demonstrated the other day is actually much faster because of the improved SMT and memory speed/IF.

Ryzen at 4ghz is dead level with a 4.7ghz BE chip. Same cores, same threads.

Seriously, if Ryzen hits 4.5ghz Intel are in trouble. Kaby is faster than Ryzen, Skylake comparable but they do 5ghz. But yeah, it ain't Broadwell E dude. And it absolutely slaughters Haswell too.

Damn, Great to know, Thanks for the info

 

[AlienALX]

Damn, Great to know, Thanks for the info

Taken from Anand, so you know there is no BS here.

6850k stock = 1,154. I looked up overclocked 6850k and they are hitting 1350 or so @ 4.7ghz. My old 5820k did 1230 or so coughing up its lungs @ 4.6ghz. It needed a ton of voltage to stay there, and wasn't stable in 3Dmark.

Taken from Guru3D (again, perfectly legit)

1600 @ 3.9ghz scores 1303. I can already tell you it will do 1350 easily @ 4ghz but Guru got a bad sample obs. 1800x does 1618 stock, and as you know well over 1700 when @ 4ghz.

So yeah, it is actually much faster per clock than BE. The odd part is that before Ryzen came out we were told basically expect BE. But then Lisa Su says that whole "We hit our target and exceeded it !" bit. That is the bit people should have been paying attention to, however, every one just thinks it's basically BE and that's it. It's not. Crank up that ram, get the IF flying and better SMT and yeah...

That's what I meant when I said if it goes to 4.5ghz? I reckon it will be right up there, if not faster per clock than Kaby.

I also had a chat with my guys who are in the industry and it was a hung parliament over whether the 4ghz is an imposed artificial lock (will explain why in a min) or whether it was just down to bad manufacturing. Half of us thought that it was basically imposed (again will get to that in a sec) and the guy I know who worked for Asus just said it was crappy manufacturing..

What I mean is if Ryzen could have done 4.5ghz at launch it would have absolutely demolished Intel. However, that is one sale and AMD have to be cheaper than Intel for all of the reasons we know, but basically "just 'cause it's AMD innit?"

So why not impose a clock limit, then when the next gen comes out raise the bar and the clocks and hey presto, another sale !

Even the guy at Asus agreed with the logic, though he still reckons it's poor manuf. We will see I guess !

 

[looz]

They're great in production for sure. But apparently the significantly worse memory latencies have a large effect on game performance, where even Haswell often performs better.

 

[AlienALX]

They're great in production for sure. But apparently the significantly worse memory latencies have a large effect on game performance, where even Haswell often performs better.

Games = 4 cores + mhz. And that is pretty much it, and the reason why Ryzen can seem lousy in games. When supported though the 1800x etc are right up there.

You will always note that when taking game benchmarks pretty much every reviewer does not bench the CPU at stock. It is usually always overclocked. This makes sense, because I have seen one of Intel's "Reviewers guidelines" IE - do it like this as we tell you to make our product seem so much better.

Which goes back to what I said about 4.5ghz. That is the sweet spot for games. To get a CPU to go faster you need to start crushing voltage and stressing the crap out of your VRMs (unless you have a puny quad). If Ryzen can get up there? Intel are in trouble.

After all of the years AMD spent making Ryzen and all of the money it cost to hire their resident genius Jim Keller? that is why the evidence corroborates them locking it down a little, so as not to basically "blow their lot" on the first launch.

If Intel can sell +5% and at times as little as +3% (I saw so many people go from Sandy to Ivy to Haswell to DC etc, basically lapping up everything Intel gave them) then I am quite sure AMD can play that game too. Which is why I still feel, even after being told by an expert otherwise, that the 4ghz "limit" thing is real.

How many Ryzens have you seen do 4.1ghz? none. Not a single damn one out of all of those that they have sold. I have seen a very rare few do 4.05 (mainly under the hands of 8 Pack, who has hundreds to choose from) but not a single one hit 4.1.

That is very, very odd. Let's see what the next "gen" of Ryzen can do.

 

[looz]

How many Ryzens have you seen do 4.1ghz? none. Not a single damn one out of all of those that they have sold.

A handful, actually. Here's a Cinebench leaderboard of io-tech, a Finnish tech forum: https://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0BysyBdX-lbrPSDUwMmd6cnd3YXc

 

[AlienALX]

A handful, actually. Here's a Cinebench leaderboard of io-tech, a Finnish tech forum: https://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0BysyBdX-lbrPSDUwMmd6cnd3YXc

Well I will be buggered. I genuinely hadn't seen any.

I think the big revelation will be when "Ryzen 2" comes.

BTW going back to the games.. Bear in mind what I said. 4 cores, mhz. No HT, no SMT etc. So the tricks Ryzen has up its sleeves (SMT, IF and mem speeds) are all pretty much sat redundant in games.

Any way being a core whore I always look at flat out benchmarks to grade a CPU.

 

[Dawelio]

What is this "IF" that you keep mentioning Alien?... SMT is "Simultaneous multithreading", I assume?.

 

[AlienALX]

What is this "IF" that you keep mentioning Alien?... SMT is "Simultaneous multithreading", I assume?.

Infinity Fabric. It is what ties Ryzen together. The faster your ram the faster it operates, which is why Ryzen is so much better than Intel's technology.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Infinity Fabric. It is what ties Ryzen together. The faster your ram the faster it operates, which is why Ryzen is so much better than Intel's technology.

Okay I'm all for being positive about AMD but this is just stupid and way over the top. Intel are still the Kings of silicon.

 

[AlienALX]

Okay I'm all for being positive about AMD but this is just stupid and way over the top. Intel are still the Kings of silicon.

Wait until Ryzen has the clock speed. That's all I am saying. Intel have almost a 1000mhz advantage.

Oh and it isn't about AMD. Ryzen is not AMD it is Jim Keller.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Wait until Ryzen has the clock speed. That's all I am saying. Intel have almost a 1000mhz advantage.

Oh and it isn't about AMD. Ryzen is not AMD it is Jim Keller.

Then I suggest you wait for that before making the claim AMD has a superior approach to Intel's technology.

 

[XPredator]

Getting on rysen's wagon, asus crossahair extreme + 1800x. Just sold my old x99 system, saber x99 + 6800k. Gaming is my main usage, it will be paired with a strix 1080ti i have. Looking forward rysen 2 next year. As long as amd can keep up the performance, i will be sticking to it. AM4 will be around till 2020. Intel gets a freaking chipset 6 months cicle, really got me sicked. Been on x58, x79 and x99.

 

[MacLeod]

I went with a 1600X since I'm just gaming and it performs basically identical to 1700's in games. I've had it in about a week now and gotta say I'm pretty pleased. I've not had any cold boot or any other kind of issues. The thing overclocked to 4 gig with just a minor voltage offset and my rigs been running smooth ever since.

 

[Excalabur50]

I can say that so far my Ryzen adventure has been good, smooth sailing ATM