Rumoured GTX 1070 Ti specifications leak
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AngryGoldfish
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Whatever legs Vega had to stand on, they're gone.
AlienALX
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Aye that would be their plan tbh. If this sits between the 1070 and 1080 (let's face it it was a massive gap !) and OCs to 1080 stock then yeah, Vega is bang in trouble.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Even a GTX 1070Ti with an overclock could beat a Vega 64 in games like GTA V and PUBG, two of the biggest games being played right now. I want to laugh, but I also want to cry. I better laugh, just in case. xD
AlienALX
Well-known member
To be honest I didn't really expect Nvidia to be this cruel. I mean, it's obviously cost them cash to do this and come up with a different cooler for it etc. I did not expect them to go for the jugular like this.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Yeah, me neither. I thought they'd just drop prices for the 1070. But I guess they worked it out that's it's more cost effective to sell a newer GPU than more of an older one. I guess it's the same reason why they won't support Freesync; they make more from Gsync than they would if they sold more graphics cards. I wonder whether AMD predicted it?
Daiyus
Member
I'm still not regretting buying a Vega 56. If nothing else it means I haven't supported a business that is severely anti-competitor.
Don't get me wrong, competition is necessary for business but this wasn't competition; Nvidia have the fastest consumer card on the planet in their product stack, have a massive mind-share and install base lead over AMD and even with Vega 56 being competitive in performance it was at a higher power draw.
Nvidia had no reason to do this other than wanting to drive AMD out of the market completely, which in my mind is just as bad as being anti-consumer. They could have just let AMD have the Vega 56 for a few months before dropping Volta and still made a massive profit and maintained their market position.
Don't get me wrong, competition is necessary for business but this wasn't competition; Nvidia have the fastest consumer card on the planet in their product stack, have a massive mind-share and install base lead over AMD and even with Vega 56 being competitive in performance it was at a higher power draw.
Nvidia had no reason to do this other than wanting to drive AMD out of the market completely, which in my mind is just as bad as being anti-consumer. They could have just let AMD have the Vega 56 for a few months before dropping Volta and still made a massive profit and maintained their market position.
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AngryGoldfish
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That'a fair enough, but you could also wager that AMD's cards are not very consumer orientated, specifically gaming consumers. AMD have priced Vega high and not given it when consumers really needed it. Vega should be either more powerful (that would be the best), be more efficient (not necessary if it's powerful but is when it's not that powerful), be cheaper (impossible due to the complexity of the chips), or be here six months ago (not possible because of the complexity of the chips). So to me, Vega is not a consumer (gamer) product. I'll probably end up buying one, but I really don't want to have to. It's a huge compromise. As a consumer, I'm not happy.
Dawelio
Active member
^ This, I completely agree.
ImprovizoR
Active member
Seems more like a cut down version of the 1080 than the improved 1070. Should be fast. And yes, Vega is dead. It was dead on arrival but this card is like the after burial ceremony. Unless AMD decides to cut the price significantly.
I still refuse to buy an Nvidia product because of all the that they've pulled in the last couple of years. They're as anti-competitive and anti-consumer as any company could ever get. It is simply not in my best interest to support them.
I still refuse to buy an Nvidia product because of all the that they've pulled in the last couple of years. They're as anti-competitive and anti-consumer as any company could ever get. It is simply not in my best interest to support them.
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The_Governour
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Well after seeing Jay2Cents video about the Asus Strix 64.. then there is no reason to buy a Vega 64 at all.
Even though it seems that Jay had a unlucky sillicon draw.
A Vega 56 might be ok to buy if they cut the prices, and if not then VEGA is a total bust. I am so glad that I did not wait for it any longer.
Also good for us 1080ti owners as this could mean that nvidia is in no rush to release anything better for now.
Even though it seems that Jay had a unlucky sillicon draw.
A Vega 56 might be ok to buy if they cut the prices, and if not then VEGA is a total bust. I am so glad that I did not wait for it any longer.
Also good for us 1080ti owners as this could mean that nvidia is in no rush to release anything better for now.
AlienALX
Well-known member
TBH the way I have always seen it is that you (used to) get far more for your money with AMD. Not comparable performance. And I mean comparable as in not even as fast for the same money these days.
With Nvidia you are paying for pedigree. You are also paying for the many millions they sink into R&D. With AMD they don't put in anywhere near as much as Nvidia but over the past couple of years want the same out. And that is why I have not bought from AMD since the Fury X.
And I won't all of the time they waste "my" money (money I paid to them for their product and future products) on turkeys and not what I want.
AMD should go back to what they are good at.
As for Nvidia being anti consumer? what do you make of the Vega debacle then? lying to your customers, hiding things from your customers and deliberately trying to fool them with stupid tactics of "Well derpy derp it feels the same as a 1080ti !
"At least Nvidia deliver where it matters.
As for the Strix? I heard Asus recalled it from a couple of reviewers because the bios was messed up. So I wouldn't call on that just yet.
Daiyus
Member
TBH the way I have always seen it is that you (used to) get far more for your money with AMD. Not comparable performance. And I mean comparable as in not even as fast for the same money these days.
With Nvidia you are paying for pedigree. You are also paying for the many millions they sink into R&D. With AMD they don't put in anywhere near as much as Nvidia but over the past couple of years want the same out. And that is why I have not bought from AMD since the Fury X.
And I won't all of the time they waste "my" money (money I paid to them for their product and future products) on turkeys and not what I want.
AMD should go back to what they are good at.
As for Nvidia being anti consumer? what do you make of the Vega debacle then? lying to your customers, hiding things from your customers and deliberately trying to fool them with stupid tactics of "Well derpy derp it feels the same as a 1080ti !
At least Nvidia deliver where it matters.
As for the Strix? I heard Asus recalled it from a couple of reviewers because the bios was messed up. So I wouldn't call on that just yet.
I said being anti-competitor was as bad as being anti-consumer but you're right, both companies have done anti-consumer things. The whole "release pricing" for Vega a massive turn-off for me but by the time the Vega 56 dropped and it could be bought at MSRP and stayed at MSRP I eased off a little. Still not happy with them but then again I'm not really happy with Intel or Nvidia either.
I just had to pick the lesser of two evils for my new build which at the moment is AMD and RTG in my opinion. I wanted six cores and GTX 1070 performance and the cheapest I could get that with decent gaming performance and excellent compute for anything else I want to try my hand at was Ryzen 5 1600 and Vega 56 as when I bought the 56 it was cheaper than any waterblock compatible GTX 1070 I could source.
Plus I've always had a soft spot for the underdog. Buying into Intel/Nvidia right now just feels like be taken for a ride as you know they could be more consumer friendly but aren't just because profit. Sure AMD could use cheaper technology rather than trying to reinvent the wheel but I actually like the fact they're trying to be revolutionary rather than Intel/Nvidia's predictable releases for maximum profit.
This is the great thing about people though, we all look at things and justify things differently. I certainly don't judge anyone who does build Intel/Nvidia right now. It's your money and your choice; whichever route you go right now you're going to get great system. In the end the only person you need to justify your decisions to are yourself (and maybe a significant other if applicable).
Daiyus
Member
TBH mate I don't really need to justify what I do. I do it for me, that's what counts. I couldn't really care one jot about what some one on the net thinks of me
Same goes for any one, do what is right for you
Now if only more of the PC gaming community could take this approach rather than constantly hating on people who bought "from the enemy".
As always it's been a pleasure Alien.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Sticking to one brand is what causes the problem tbh. People stick to one brand, even when it makes no sense to do so (for example anything Intel make now) and that is what causes companies to go under. I've never been a sheep and I have my own mind. I wanted Ryzen really badly, but it made far more sense to just stick a cheap X99 board in my rig and a 14 core Broadwell E. I don't like Intel at all (you will have seen that a lot) but at the end of the day money talks BS walks and it was a bargain.
A true enthusiast will do that. Buy the product that offers the most performance per £$ etc and to hell with who actually makes it.
When AMD offered up the 7970 for the same price as a 3gb 580 I was all over it, even though it broke the price record for a single AMD GPU. It was still cheap compared to the 580 3gb and a lot faster to boot. That was the last true value product AMD made but I got my Fury X for £100 less than a 980Ti and I felt the saving worthwhile. Still got it too.
So yeah, do what makes sense to you. This whole "justify" thing pees me off, because you could simply ask someone to justify why they spend far too much time on the net , why they buy from a company even when it's financial suicide, why they wear red socks etc etc.
f**k em lol. Do what feels good
