Overclockers rejoice, Intel's improving their TIM - Devil's Canyon is on the way

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Intel haven't given us enthusiasts much reason to upgrade our CPUs since Sandy-Bridge. Ivy Bridge and Haswell has gave us lower power consumption and superior integrated graphics performance but in terms of improved IPC and overclocking headroom they have been lacking, only giving limited gains over the previous generation.

The limited overclocking headroom for Ivy Bridge and Haswell is due to excessive heat build up over certain voltages, which is attributed to a combination of the packaging and thermal interface material (TIM) used in these newer CPUs. Intel AIMs to fix these issues.

Presenting Devil's Canyon, Intel's Haswell Refresh

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These chips, while not exactly new, will be supported by Intel's new 9-series chipset with current 8-Series chipsets "not targeted", so don't expect Devil's Canyon to work with all current 8-series motherboards.

Current leaks suggest that the Haswell refresh will receive frequency increases of 100MHz but this is unconfirmed. Overclocking should be improved in these new chips, but by how much is unknown.

What do you guys think, Are you glad to see Intel taking enthusiast feedback seriously and offering the overclocking potential we crave?

What do you think of the apparent lack of support on your current Z87 motherboards? Please comment below.

Source - techreport
 
I'm more bothered about Haswell-e tbh.
I wonder will intel actually improve the TIM majorly or just slightly.
 
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Lets see how these CPUs go when tested, at the moment all we have is sales talk.

As to Haswell E, I think I will be in a very small minority but I think 8 cores on an intel CPU will be total rubbish for overclocking.
 
I'm long overdue a motherboard and CPU upgrade, might finally be time.

Apart for better TIM and a 100mhz boost are these Haswell refreshes offering anything more? If it is just the same CPU with better TIM it isn't going to make much difference unless you are pushing high overclocks.
 
I'm looking forward to the non GPU chips. I hate wasting money on something I don't use.

That's a good point. Hardly anyone on these forums uses integrated graphics. If they were removed, Intel could get better performance on just the cpu, right?
 
Apart for better TIM and a 100mhz boost are these Haswell refreshes offering anything more? If it is just the same CPU with better TIM it isn't going to make much difference unless you are pushing high overclocks.

I was thinking the same thing!
 
That's a good point. Hardly anyone on these forums uses integrated graphics. If they were removed, Intel could get better performance on just the cpu, right?

yes, more die size available to the cpu cores. integrated graphics actually take up a lot of space on the die and adds to the cost.

Heres an image of amd a10 5800 die. intel will probably go for a bit smaller IGP, but it still will take up a lot of space, and waste it for thoose who don't use igp.
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I'm long overdue a motherboard and CPU upgrade, might finally be time.

Apart for better TIM and a 100mhz boost are these Haswell refreshes offering anything more? If it is just the same CPU with better TIM it isn't going to make much difference unless you are pushing high overclocks.

clock increases are rumored, could potentially be higher (doubt it though)

The better TIM etc will allow us to push volts a bit more while still being able to cool the bloody things, which should make higher overclocks more achievable on the average chip (if you push the volts).

It also makes a water cooling loop a more attractive option, considering since Ivy you couldn't push the volts high enough to need it (before you hit the CPUs volt limit due to the TIM).
 
I'm long overdue a motherboard and CPU upgrade, might finally be time.

Apart for better TIM and a 100mhz boost are these Haswell refreshes offering anything more? If it is just the same CPU with better TIM it isn't going to make much difference unless you are pushing high overclocks.

that's the point of the chip, isn't it?
higher overclocks without taking the knife to the heatspreader.
 
clock increases are rumored, could potentially be higher (doubt it though)

The better TIM etc will allow us to push volts a bit more while still being able to cool the bloody things, which should make higher overclocks more achievable on the average chip (if you push the volts).

It also makes a water cooling loop a more attractive option, considering since Ivy you couldn't push the volts high enough to need it (before you hit the CPUs volt limit due to the TIM).

I know that dude :) but it's not going to make much difference to the average user, it's only going to benefit people who are pushing high overclocks for benching.
100mhz wont make much of a difference, you can get that just by overclocking.

It seems like Intel are just releasing another load of CPUs with no real improvements other than efficiency. The last time we had CPUs that were a game changer was Sandybridge. It would be good to see Intel give us something worth upgrading for rather than side grading for better efficiency.

Add on top that you need to buy a Z97 motherboard for these CPUs as well, then unless there is anything other than better TIM and a 100mhz clock increase, it's not really worth it unless you are building a new rig.
 
I know that dude :) but it's not going to make much difference to the average user, it's only going to benefit people who are pushing high overclocks for benching.
100mhz wont make much of a difference, you can get that just by overclocking.

It seems like Intel are just releasing another load of CPUs with no real improvements other than efficiency. The last time we had CPUs that were a game changer was Sandybridge. It would be good to see Intel give us something worth upgrading for rather than side grading for better efficiency.

Add on top that you need to buy a Z97 motherboard for these CPUs as well, then unless there is anything other than better TIM and a 100mhz clock increase, it's not really worth it unless you are building a new rig.

Agreed, same can be said for all refreshed like this, trinity to richland being another recent example of the same thing (clock wise, not TIM of course).

Potentially motherboard manufacturers could get them to support current z87 motherboards with a simple bios update, but that depends if intel has done something to negate that or not. The 9-series and 8 series have got the same cpu pin interface.
 
I know that dude :) but it's not going to make much difference to the average user, it's only going to benefit people who are pushing high overclocks for benching.
100mhz wont make much of a difference, you can get that just by overclocking.

It seems like Intel are just releasing another load of CPUs with no real improvements other than efficiency. The last time we had CPUs that were a game changer was Sandybridge. It would be good to see Intel give us something worth upgrading for rather than side grading for better efficiency.

Add on top that you need to buy a Z97 motherboard for these CPUs as well, then unless there is anything other than better TIM and a 100mhz clock increase, it's not really worth it unless you are building a new rig.

well, we already knew that nothing game changing will happen until skylake for the average PC user. broadwell is just a refresh and this will be a special chip for overclockers, not an entire new family.
 
This may seem a bit of a noob question but I've never really understood chipsets completely, But I'm assuming the new Z97 Chipset will be compatible with the current range of Haswell CPU's am I right?
 
This may seem a bit of a noob question but I've never really understood chipsets completely, But I'm assuming the new Z97 Chipset will be compatible with the current range of Haswell CPU's am I right?

not guaranteed. the chipset is not made for haswell CPUs, but because broadwell and haswell are so similar it will most likely still work.
 
I see no compelling reason to upgrade my socket 2011 system. Heck, I could have kept my i7 920 running at 4Ghz + and still been happy. But I do like how Intel is apparently listening to complaints. No sane person WANTS to delid CPUs. :)
 
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