Oh MSI... Most expensive board, cheapest components

[Avet]

This is truly disappointing from MSI. To offer High-End, most expensive, "overclocking" motherboard with rubbish VRM. It is not going to limit you in any serious way. But you pay premium money for what? Putting rubbish components on board, adding extra components that do nothing so the board can look more powerful, and charging you top end money for the product that is of considerably lower quality than the competition, and the competition is way more cheaper. What is happening with them? Hiding voltages that are way over the limit to the point which can kill your CPU on Z270... Stupendously overvoltaged profiles on their tuning utility. 4.4 GHz profile on Ryzen??? It looks like they work so hard on customer deception. WTF???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6LP9glKmc

 

[FTLN]

All the big companies are at it nowadays.. After years of giving us top products they sneak in some crappy low end components hoping nobody will notice. Just look at cadburys mini eggs this year, they taste like lidl's own brand !!!

 

[Avet]

That is sadly the reality. But...When you call out on them for something, they should run and fix it, sort of what is VW doing with their engines. Replace questioned part for free. What did MSI do when reviewers call them out on voltages? They hid them.

 

[AlienALX]

That is how you review a motherboard. If only they were all broken down and explained so well.

I have a feeling MSI used crap components on my BBXPII as well, just lots of them to make it look like it was worth so much.

Asrock Taichi is the board to have at the top end then.

 

[Avet]

That is how you review a motherboard. If only they were all broken down and explained so well.

I have a feeling MSI used crap components on my BBXPII as well, just lots of them to make it look like it was worth so much.

Asrock Taichi is the board to have at the top end then.

Buildzoid is pro overclocker and knows his stuff. I like his reviews, but you need to understand a bit of electronics to know what he is talking about. For average user it is jut rocket science.

I've never had Asrock board, and didn't consider them as top manufacturer, but with latest generations of boards, they are certainly at the top end. I will start following them more closely.

After this MSI is just no go with boards for me. I liked them a lot in the past few years. They need to get their heads out of their a..es and do a proper job.

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah I've watched him for ages. Loved the live Polaris Twitch modding didn't know he was part of GN now.

I do understand what he talks about so I find his videos very interesting.

That's possibly the best mobo review I've seen. Not "omg ledeeez!" Just the cold hard facts. Imagine how many stinkers the manus have sneaked past us.. Mind boggles really.

£350. Lmao. The Asrock costs £100 less.

 

[Avet]

Well i do understand reviewers. They try to cover as big audience as they can. Tom especially, there is everything for everyone in his reviews. And he is vocal about his opinion. Rare are those that don't just repeat beck cover of a box, and give you proper information. But in the end most of the customers are just not interested in detailed stuff to the point that looks beat raw performance. This stuff from buildzoid and similar others is for a few percent of enthusiasts that have previous knowledge and experience. It is hardcore stuff that is not for everyone.

 

[Dicehunter]

This is why I do not spend more than a max of £250 on a motherboard, Any more and you are paying for stuff you will likely never use and stuff the manufacturer has completely fluffed up to make it sound better than it actually is.

 

[Bartacus]

I'm not an MSI fan, but that reviewer sucked. Couldn't make it past 10 minutes. What an awful rambling voice. Plus, he said some awfully dumb things. Something about tri-SLI melting 24 pin power connectors?!? WTF?!?! That guy sounds like he doesn't have a clue.

 

[Dicehunter]

I'm not an MSI fan, but that reviewer sucked. Couldn't make it past 10 minutes. What an awful rambling voice. Plus, he said some awfully dumb things. Something about tri-SLI melting 24 pin power connectors?!? WTF?!?! That guy sounds like he doesn't have a clue.

Technically Buildzoid isn't a reviewer, He just goes through the technical details and he does know what he's talking about as he's held several world OC records.

As to the 24 pin melting, If you remember back to the RX-480 power overdraw fiasco that was causing a few peoples systems to basically die, The 24 pin was frazzled so it is possible.

 

[Avet]

This is why I do not spend more than a max of £250 on a motherboard, Any more and you are paying for stuff you will likely never use and stuff the manufacturer has completely fluffed up to make it sound better than it actually is.

On a subject about things that you do not use on a motherboard. I don't know why mATX, or mITX are't becoming standard. They have everything that you need, and no one makes them. X370 doesn't even have mATX listed. Why? Why do you need big board if you are not using 90% of it?

 

[NeverBackDown]

On a subject about things that you do not use on a motherboard. I don't know why mATX, or mITX are't becoming standard. They have everything that you need, and no one makes them. X370 doesn't even have mATX listed. Why? Why do you need big board if you are not using 90% of it?

They have Matx boards, just no ITX.
They costs more to make which will end up meaning for the same price ATX board, you would more than likely get less quality components. This is why they aren't standard.

As for why we don't have these smaller boards for X370, none of the Mobo manufacturers thought Ryzen would be any good. So they didn't invest much into there product stack. Now that they see it a a success, you should expect more products to be released later this year, probably along with Ryzen 3 at the earliest, or probably a month or two after that. Definitely before Zen 2.

 

[AlienALX]

I'm not an MSI fan, but that reviewer sucked. Couldn't make it past 10 minutes. What an awful rambling voice. Plus, he said some awfully dumb things. Something about tri-SLI melting 24 pin power connectors?!? WTF?!?! That guy sounds like he doesn't have a clue.

He was talking about what happens to the 24 pin when you have three GPUs and how it then becomes responsible for any out of spec power the cards draw through the lanes. It all goes into the 12v wires in the 24 pin and they melt.

It's been a thing since the X58 days and why most boards have extra power connectors for the PCIE lanes.

Trust me, that cat may sound annoying but he's a genius.

He even went through the RX480 at launch and showed where AMD had done it wrong and why. In fact, I think it was him that raised the red flag in the first place.

 

[g0ggles1994]

This is why I do not spend more than a max of £250 on a motherboard, Any more and you are paying for stuff you will likely never use and stuff the manufacturer has completely fluffed up to make it sound better than it actually is.

That's my philosophy with motherboards as well, only board I've ever spent more than £200 on was my old Sabertooth and that's because I had 2 very power hungry 780's on it. Other than that I sit in the £150 region, and this thing about what VRMs MSI used on that board worries me whether they cheaped out on my board as well :worried1:

 

[AlienALX]

IIRC the issue was more related to X58 and extreme circumstances like tri SLi 480s or two 5970s.

Having said that even the £30 Asrock board I used for years had a molex connector for the lanes so it must have been an issue before the 480 etc all. Maybe two 3870x2 could cause it perhaps?

But yeah, ever since cards like the 6990 and GTX 590 both AMD and Nvidia have taken the PCIE spec sheet and basically torn it up. Even one of those cards exceeds the spec, let alone 2.

 

[tolagarf]

All this talk about how MSI possibly cheated with the VRM on this motherboard, and then commercials pops up on this website about said motherboard couple of days later... Priceless!

 

[AlienALX]

All this talk about how MSI possibly cheated with the VRM on this motherboard, and then commercials pops up on this website about said motherboard couple of days later... Priceless!

Haha irony

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I watched AHO's video of the Taichi. I might show it to all the snobs on OCN who won't touch an ASRock board because 'they don't use very good components.'

 

[Bartacus]

The Taichi was my first choice, but they were out of stock everywhere I looked, so I went back to Asus. Every time I try to buy something other than Asus, the gods get involved and steer me back to them. It's so weird!!

 

[Warchild]

The Taichi was my first choice, but they were out of stock everywhere I looked, so I went back to Asus. Every time I try to buy something other than Asus, the gods get involved and steer me back to them. It's so weird!!

Well ASrock were ASUS until they somewhat bought themselves out and branched off to make their own boards.

My local supplier only sell ASrock boards now since they seem to sell like hotcakes here. I have had a mediocre one in the past and was very satisfied with it. but that could be when it was ASUS owned.