OC3D Review: Asus GTX465

I have to agree that NVIDIA is behind the curve against the newer ATI GPU's. I don't like what I see coming out of NVIDIA and think they've missed the boat. That being said I feel that both of these big players are not considering that many of the folks today are having a hard time making ends meet and by bringing out nothing but high priced GPU's isn't the answer. I don't see why many of these newer GPU's are out at all as they don't surpass their predecessors other than offering Direct X11.
 
name='AlienALX' said:
Well I'm a little confused as to what you mean by smooth but there are so many factors in that.

CPU, ram, hard drive speeds and transfer rates, screen refresh rates and response times.

And then you even have the game itself. Some games are simply badly coded and will never be smooth no matter how good the hardware running them (see GTAIV).

This is why I mentioned a balanced PC. All these things are required when wanting a good gaming rig. I just feel that it's important to note these things when the hardware is being reviewed.

If I have 2 GPU's to be reviewed and they both have nearly the same FPS in a game but one reacts differently (better color rendering, smoother play, etc) in the test system these things might be of interest to those folks planning on buying the GPU.
 
name='timby' said:
I have to agree that NVIDIA is behind the curve against the newer ATI GPU's. I don't like what I see coming out of NVIDIA and think they've missed the boat. That being said I feel that both of these big players are not considering that many of the folks today are having a hard time making ends meet and by bringing out nothing but high priced GPU's isn't the answer. I don't see why many of these newer GPU's are out at all as they don't surpass their predecessors other than offering Direct X11.

I agree. Eventually they will collapse into a bucket of their own bile like Voodoo did.

What angers me the most about Nvidia is their rebranding. They did it so many times with their last gen products it was a joke. 8800GT became a 9800GT and a 9800GTX became a 250 GTS and so on. I know there were minor differences to each rebrand (a slightly higher clock or what not) but it was basically the same thing. Same goes for their mobile chips.

I don't know what goes on behind closed doors but for a company to do stuff like that is not a good sign. It's also quite worrying when they completely end production of their 200 series cards and all other cards BEFORE they even got Fermi out of the door.

Even more worrying still were their losses over the past few years. They have made a statement recently to say that the Fermi series of cards are not even really being aimed at gamers but more at graphics professionals (and not the GTX range their other range). But even that doesn't make a lot of sense because who wants something that runs so hot?

Failure rates I have yet to see on these Fermi cards. It's too early in the day. But I know a fair bit about electronics and I know that no electronic component is going to stay happy for very long at the temps Fermi hits. How many processors out there can run at 90c for prolonged periods of time?

I certainly don't want to see Nvidia go under and I am equally as pissed with ATI over the way they treat people.

In late 2009 I brought an Asus Crosshair 2. I was going to SLI my 280 but never got the chance. When it died I then wanted Crossfire but, uh oh, need a new motherboard. And the one I have now won't run SLI. It's really rather annoying and ATI just sort of got lucky by 'conning' me into having to buy a new motherboard. I will say something, though, I won't be buying either again any time soon. Next time I make the step I will go with Intel or another board maker who has the balls to make both run.

SLI, Crossfire, CUDA, PHYSX and even the defunct by ATI HAVOK are just ways to screw things up for us. Every single one of them forces us to make choices and we always end up missing out on something.
 
name='timby' said:
I have to agree that NVIDIA is behind the curve against the newer ATI GPU's. I don't like what I see coming out of NVIDIA and think they've missed the boat. That being said I feel that both of these big players are not considering that many of the folks today are having a hard time making ends meet and by bringing out nothing but high priced GPU's isn't the answer. I don't see why many of these newer GPU's are out at all as they don't surpass their predecessors other than offering Direct X11.

Unfortunately it's all about cash.

nVidia categorically will-not release a gpu card that spanks anything existing, and more importantly their image of what it is set to compete with, by more than... oo 10-15%.

It's nothing like the old days where you could cosy up to a brand and perhaps have an allegence with cos "they're the best !!/1123>../.ffs!" - if you still believe this concept, they have you hooked. And if you feel that anyone that disagrees with your feelings about your allegence is a member of the nazi party, you're hooked also.
 
With the 460 due for release Im sat on the fence waiting for the 465 to be pulled. I doubt they'll make many more now. You'll probably only see them if the shops still have stock.
 
If it hits the magic marker (£200) it could actually be sort of worth considering I guess.

Look forward to seeing the 460 though Tom. I think Fermi will come into its own when it is released as a slower cooler card that you get some headroom with.
 
Oh this is just excellent haha ! :D Nvidia must have read your review VB ROFL.

Which is basically what you said they needed to do in the review right? But what's even funnier is this.

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Which I have to say looks about ten million times better than the regurgitated 200 series coolers they were using on the 465. What's even funnier though is that it looks distinctly like the Vaporx cooler :D

Hey you know what? fair play. It seems they may just be FINALLY listening after all ;)
 
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