Now it looks like AMD will be releasing 6-core AMD Ryzen CPUs

[WYP]

It now looks like AMD will be releasing 6-core AMD Ryzen CPUs, despite recent rumours to the contrary.



Read more on AMD's Ryzen CPU architecture and SKUs.

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah that's always the issue when it's just a rumour and didn't come from the company themselves.

 

[Wraith]

This will make Kilbane delirious :lol: just the news he's been waiting for.

 

[Shingara]

I always sensed they were going todo 8/16 binned, 8/16 normal, 6/12 binned and 6/12 normal and then just have the apus as 4-6 cores with smt and the gpu bolted on. Letting the apus take the bottom end of ryzen.

 

[AlienALX]

I wonder if you can unlock them this time around ?

 

[RobM]

still rumour though until AMD actually step up and announce it.

 

[AlienALX]

still rumour though until AMD actually step up and announce it.

It will happen IMO. Reason is they need it. If they do not release a 6 core Intel still have a very good selling point.

AMD have done six core Phenom 2, six core FX. I can not see a single reason why they would not do so again, especially if it has been shown it's physically possible.

What you need to realise is what AMD need to realise. They need to offer more at the same price or less as Intel or people simply will not buy them. That is why, IMO, AMD need to lay it out like this -

A quad core to beat the I3.
A quad core with HT to beat the I5.
A hex core to beat the I7, possibly with HT.
An 8 core to beat the 6c 12t Intel.

They are not competing with the 6950x or whatever it is called. You know? the ten core one but yup, IMO they need to offer more than Intel at every point of the market to get a foot hold.

One thing is for sure.. Since the I3 launched people have made it clear they DO NOT want dual core CPUs any more. Even the most hardened Intel fan says it's a joke. I think of all of the forums I post on there have been like three people out of hundreds who think the I3 K chip is OK and good value.

We've had hex cores now for years (Phenom 2 X6, Intel 980x and so on) and I think it is high time we continued to go forward in terms of threading. I think that is what every one wants. If AMD's FX were better Intel would have had no choice but to let more cores go. But it wasn't, people brushed it aside and so Intel have been telling us what we need and how much they want for it.

I had a Westmere ES CPU once. It was clocked at around 2ghz, 6 cores 12 threads. I thought it was just a Xeon, but when I checked it was actually not a Xeon at all. It was a prototype "I9" CPU. One that I am positive would have seen the light of day if it were not for AMD's Bulldozer being so bad. Had BD been good? Intel would have released the "I9" and we would have seen what we are about to see, an all out core/price war.

Just seen a news article on here about how Intel are saying they will compete with Ryzen for performance etc... Absolutely no mention of price drops, core increases etc. They are just basically saying "Well look, Kabylake is as good as Ryzen and you can buy it now !" without mentioning they are having a laugh with the prices.

 

[Shingara]

it wasnt that they need it, its just upto this point no one was sure if the ryzen could be split down like that because of the way it shared its l3 cache if i remember right.

 

[AlienALX]

it wasnt that they need it, its just upto this point no one was sure if the ryzen could be split down like that because of the way it shared its l3 cache if i remember right.

Then I guess what happens is that the L3 is left "as is" IE all of it and they simply disable cores.

I've got a Xeon 2680 V2 ES. It's 8 core with 25mb cache. The weird thing is that it's absolutely identical to this 2680 V2

http://ark.intel.com/products/75277/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2680-v2-25M-Cache-2_80-GHz

Only that one has 10 cores. But other than the cores they are absolutely identical so if Intel can do something like that I'm sure AMD can.

I mean really, you pay Jim Keller all that money and he then breaks the news that six core CPUs won't be possible. Like seriously

 

[Thelosouvlakia]

AMD could release benchmark results along with full info two days before the retail release and they could be sure that on day 0 most retailers would have every single S/N out of stock.

The hype is quite high and there must be a ton of guys out there with an AMD cpu that want -and deserve- an upgrade

 

[Shingara]

Then I guess what happens is that the L3 is left "as is" IE all of it and they simply disable cores.

I've got a Xeon 2680 V2 ES. It's 8 core with 25mb cache. The weird thing is that it's absolutely identical to this 2680 V2

http://ark.intel.com/products/75277/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2680-v2-25M-Cache-2_80-GHz

Only that one has 10 cores. But other than the cores they are absolutely identical so if Intel can do something like that I'm sure AMD can.

I mean really, you pay Jim Keller all that money and he then breaks the news that six core CPUs won't be possible. Like seriously

Dont think it matters who made it or how much money they got. If they got a design brief to make an 8 core 16 thread cpu etc then thats what they aim for, most the time yes lower end cpus are basically the same cpu as the top end but had faults so stuff was switched off.

And from this new info it seems that yes, ryzen can be chopped down. But on a twist of this from something i saw on pcper i think it was, the fab is so good that they have very few bad fabs.

 

[AlienALX]

AMD could release benchmark results along with full info two days before the retail release and they could be sure that on day 0 most retailers would have every single S/N out of stock.

The hype is quite high and there must be a ton of guys out there with an AMD cpu that want -and deserve- an upgrade

What worries me the most is price gouging. If something is desirable certain companies like to charge stupid money for stuff. This could damage AMD. If their prices are good and retailers turn that into "meh" it could lose them sales.

I hope they have plenty ready tbh.

Dont think it matters who made it or how much money they got. If they got a design brief to make an 8 core 16 thread cpu etc then thats what they aim for, most the time yes lower end cpus are basically the same cpu as the top end but had faults so stuff was switched off.

And from this new info it seems that yes, ryzen can be chopped down. But on a twist of this from something i saw on pcper i think it was, the fab is so good that they have very few bad fabs.

Any company that thinks like that will not last two minutes. You need product at every point of the market. This is why people often found quad core Phenom 2s that unlocked and ran perfectly, even at stock volts. This was simply AMD cutting out cores to make stock.

 

[Shingara]

Any company that thinks like that will not last two minutes. You need product at every point of the market. This is why people often found quad core Phenom 2s that unlocked and ran perfectly, even at stock volts. This was simply AMD cutting out cores to make stock.

What do you mean any company that thinks like that, like what. if the modules couldnt be broken down to a 6 core then the core could have been split down to an 4 core 8 thread. And it wasnt that i was saying they couldnt simply slice 4 cores into 2, its that the way the cores share cache that would it be possible to split a module and retain the cache.

And it when it comes to the old phenoms, the reason you could get lower phenoms to unlock more cores etc is due to the fact they had a fault, they might work but the fault would still be there.

 

[AlienALX]

What do you mean any company that thinks like that, like what.

Like "Oh let's make an 8 core CPU that will only run as an 8 core CPU".

"Oh hang on wait we can cut it down to four cores but it won't work with six".

That kind of mentality does not make you money. It gives you one or two products when they need about ten at least.

And it when it comes to the old phenoms, the reason you could get lower phenoms to unlock more cores etc is due to the fact they had a fault, they might work but the fault would still be there.

I saw loads that worked straight off the bat and did not require any more voltage or anything to make them work perfectly.

I saw a lot of it with the 6950 GPU as well. People unlocking them to 6970 and they worked perfectly completely stable.
(*added. Oh yeah, early GTX 460s unlocked to 470s also).

Yes, sometimes they do cut down failed products (of course they do, otherwise it would go in the bin) but demand for cheaper products is always higher and sometimes if they can't meet those demands they will cut down perfectly working products to make products they can sell.

It's not like AMD are making 8 core wafers and then going from there either. The new Opterons (if they are even called that) are much higher than 8 cores.

I remember there was this thing going around that certain AMD FX CPUs came in a special tin. You split apart the lid and there was a message in there etc.

It turned out that basically what they had done was buy a joblot of cheap printed tin that other companies did not collect etc and then cut the lids out of that. That would have made it cheaper to buy etc. That is the sort of thing that goes on.

So I am sticking to my guns. If AMD have made a technology that can not be used as six cores I will LOL. All that time, all that money and you can't offer comparing products across the board.

 

[Shingara]

Like "Oh let's make an 8 core CPU that will only run as an 8 core CPU".

"Oh hang on wait we can cut it down to four cores but it won't work with six".

That kind of mentality does not make you money. It gives you one or two products when they need about ten at least.

The mentality that makes you money is design the best thing you can to beat the competition, not rely on defects to fill a product line. I know what your saying about having a good selection of of stuff to sell, but zen aint just cpus at the end of the day, we are gonna have summit ridge for cpus and raven ridge for apus.

And even if they snapped it down to a 4 core 8 thread, like that is a deal breaker espec when you put the apus along side them.

I saw loads that worked straight off the bat and did not require any more voltage or anything to make them work perfectly.

I saw a lot of it with the 6950 GPU as well. People unlocking them to 6970 and they worked perfectly completely stable.
(*added. Oh yeah, early GTX 460s unlocked to 470s also).

Yes, sometimes they do cut down failed products (of course they do, otherwise it would go in the bin) but demand for cheaper products is always higher and sometimes if they can't meet those demands they will cut down perfectly working products to make products they can sell.

It's not like AMD are making 8 core wafers and then going from there either. The new Opterons (if they are even called that) are much higher than 8 cores.

I remember there was this thing going around that certain AMD FX CPUs came in a special tin. You split apart the lid and there was a message in there etc.

It turned out that basically what they had done was buy a joblot of cheap printed tin that other companies did not collect etc and then cut the lids out of that. That would have made it cheaper to buy etc. That is the sort of thing that goes on.

So I am sticking to my guns. If AMD have made a technology that can not be used as six cores I will LOL. All that time, all that money and you can't offer comparing products across the board.

Just because they work fine doesnt mean there isnt a fault in there. And ye they did cut some down to fill demand but that doesnt mean they all were, and remember, global foundrys were doing dire work, still do more or less but samsung are making them to now.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

So I am sticking to my guns. If AMD have made a technology that can not be used as six cores I will LOL. All that time, all that money and you can't offer comparing products across the board.

I agree with you. When the news first came out a few days ago that RyZen were stuck with 4 and 8 core CPU's, that was a huge disappointment and didn't make sense to me. Unless the flagship 8 CPU's were priced around at €400 like they were initially rumoured (highly unlikely at this stage), removing a 6-core from the stack would create a huge vacancy in the market for an affordable 6-core CPU. The i7-5820K was massively popular because it was one of the first 6-core CPU's that had excellent single core performance that overclocked well at a reasonable price. That is a huge market AMD would be missing out on. Maybe they could have made a 8c/8t CPU that filled that void, but 6c/12t makes more sense to me.

 

[AlienALX]

The mentality that makes you money is design the best thing you can to beat the competition, not rely on defects to fill a product line.

Yet that is exactly what happens and is the bread and butter of any company.

What do you think Nvidia have been doing with failed Titan XP cores? chucking them away?

 

[Kilbane]

This will make Kilbane delirious :lol: just the news he's been waiting for.

Too bloody right!!