WYP
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Nice to know that those PEGI ratings are effective.
Read more about most UK parents allowing their children to play 18+ video games.
Read more about most UK parents allowing their children to play 18+ video games.
Most parents allow their children to play 18+ video games
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Dicehunter
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I once asked a work friend of mine who bought many 18+ games for her son who is 14 - "why don't you buy him porn films ?"
She gave me a really confused look and answered with "well they're for adults 18 or older"
I waited for her to catch on but it never happened ^_^
She gave me a really confused look and answered with "well they're for adults 18 or older"
I waited for her to catch on but it never happened ^_^
Greenback
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I'd like to see the actual case studies that these articles base their claims on because these claims are nothing new and never been proven.
my son learnt all his bad language from school and when you hear the parents of these kids walking home parents fing and blinding all the way you see where they get it, and it has nothing to do with games. the big problem with a lot of parents these days is they expect teachers and others to bring up their child teach them right from wrong, plenty of young kids starting school now still in nappies.
My sons 9 has beaten both L4D games and enjoys playing them he plays fortnight also minecraft and the lego games he understands that games are games and not real, he also gets praise for being 1 of the politest helpful kids in her class considering he has ADHD
my son learnt all his bad language from school and when you hear the parents of these kids walking home parents fing and blinding all the way you see where they get it, and it has nothing to do with games. the big problem with a lot of parents these days is they expect teachers and others to bring up their child teach them right from wrong, plenty of young kids starting school now still in nappies.
My sons 9 has beaten both L4D games and enjoys playing them he plays fortnight also minecraft and the lego games he understands that games are games and not real, he also gets praise for being 1 of the politest helpful kids in her class considering he has ADHD
Dawelio
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AlienALX
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Whilst I was at the skate park the other night my mate's boy (he's 14) and I got talking about gaming. Any way, the subject turned to Wolfenstein 2 and I said "I wouldn't let you play that". My mate agreed with me after I explained what sort of stuff was in it.
He's quite a sensitive lad, I don't think it would do him much good tbh. Those games have an age rating for a reason.
He's quite a sensitive lad, I don't think it would do him much good tbh. Those games have an age rating for a reason.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It's like letting a a 8 year old boy playing GTAV. You know nothing bad will happen. It's not like you can bang hookers or anything.
I think it's not that big of a deal but anything younger than 13 shouldn't be playing those types of games. I say that because it's so easy for young kids to be exposed to bad things outside of gaming these days that at 13 is basically probably better they play the games rather than go on the internet..
I think it's not that big of a deal but anything younger than 13 shouldn't be playing those types of games. I say that because it's so easy for young kids to be exposed to bad things outside of gaming these days that at 13 is basically probably better they play the games rather than go on the internet..
MacLeod
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Guess I'm a bad parent then. My little boy used to sit in my lap while I played Dead Space and Batman all the time. He was still wearing diapers but could play with a keyboard and mouse with no problem. He's 9 now and we play Borderlands, Left 4 Dead and Dead Space 3 together all the time and he's not had any problems because of it. They never bothered him or even scared him as he never saw them as real. Granted it was just cartoon violence and bad language. Nudity and raw sexual content would be different.
He gets good grades in school (honor roll), has no discipline problems in school, has plenty of friends and while he's a spoiled brat (I suck at discipline) he's a pretty well adjusted and normal 9 year old little boy.
Video games don't make kids bad. It's along the same lines as the arguments that violent video games are causing school shootings and everything else because apparently there were no evil or violent people around before video games were invented.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Amen brotha
Most who comment stating bad parenting don't even have kids themselves so they have no clue what it is like to raise one. 
Gone are the times when movies like Die Hard could only be shown after 10pm with all bad language dubbed over. We have accepted violence/adult material in society more and more. Parents arent to blame. It is all the movie studios, TV channel executives, game developers pumping it out to the point we accept it as ok.
It starts with your childhood Marvel superhero beating the hell out of bad guys on TV, then turns into The punisher who beats them in a violent nature. Before you know it, you don't see the difference between the two for you boy since hes a good kid. With that in mind, you think theres nothing wrong with buying Doom for him.
End of the day society is subjected to more and more violence which we accept. But the age ratings on products stands its ground. How do we balance it now?
Gone are the times when movies like Die Hard could only be shown after 10pm with all bad language dubbed over. We have accepted violence/adult material in society more and more. Parents arent to blame. It is all the movie studios, TV channel executives, game developers pumping it out to the point we accept it as ok.
It starts with your childhood Marvel superhero beating the hell out of bad guys on TV, then turns into The punisher who beats them in a violent nature. Before you know it, you don't see the difference between the two for you boy since hes a good kid. With that in mind, you think theres nothing wrong with buying Doom for him.
End of the day society is subjected to more and more violence which we accept. But the age ratings on products stands its ground. How do we balance it now?
Most who comment stating bad parenting don't even have kids themselves so they have no clue what it is like to raise one.
Excuse me? I have THREE kids. The last one is just entering University. They were raised with OLD FASHIONED AND PROPER MORALS....something that is lost today sadly.
They were brought up to be polite but blunt when needed ( my scottish/english genes did most of that ) and to not back down from the truth no matter what. They've studied hard and volunteer a lot and I couldn't be more proud of them.
When they were teens they wanted cell phones and all that garbage but I refused to get them any of it. They learned to WORK for what they wanted and realized the difference between NEED and WANT. They didn't get to see any overly violent movies until they were of age.
THAT is REAL parenting. Love and respect.
However I would not expect anyone of this generation to understand that.
AlienALX
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I don't even know where to begin with this. Do I go the "America has killed more of its own people than any war ever with guns" or "Devaluing human life and desensitising children could cause school shootings, something rife in the USA" route.
I guess if you are prepared to live with the consequences it's up to you. Providing of course that if one day it does bite you on the arse you do no complaining whatsoever and accept it's just the nature of the beast.
I couldn't give a toss whether I am a parent or not. I've spent plenty of time with my cousin's children and lived with two young girls for over a year. You still have to be responsible (especially when baby sitting !) and not just let them run a mock and do whatever they like.
Edit. Assuming the "no kids" thing was a dig at me (or just that I don't have children so it was an easy cheap shot?)
I chose not to have children because I would have been a rotten parent. IE - I kept my pecker in my pants, or wore a johnny deliberately because I had put the time and effort into thinking it through and realised that I could not be a good parent all of the time and not even close to it. Thus, I chose not to father any kids.
I would rather have done that with hindsight than go out and prod some chavvy slapper and have a kid who I could not look after for large periods of time. So believe me when I say I have used more brain cells thinking about it and making the correct decision for every one. The same sort of care and attention I would have put into parenting, should I have had any, if I thought I was well enough and could give it my best shot.
Besides, being a parent matters not one jot IMO, given we were all children ourselves so know exactly what it entails.
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MacLeod
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You shouldn't go either route because they're both a load of crap. America's crime problem isn't from video games or gun control. There are approximately 36 million licensed hunters in the US. That's HALF the UK population! Add to that gun owners that don't hunt and I'd say you'd have more gun owners in the US as the entire population of the UK. If guns and/or American culture were the problem, the entire US would be a bloodbath and we'd be extinct by now.
But that's not the case. The fact is that gun violence is limited to certain areas and really to only a couple cities. Chicago alone counts for 20% of the US murder rate. Chicago also has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and has been run by well intentioned bleeding heart liberals for generations. Inner city gangs are the biggest reason for the US violent crime rate. Our murder rate would be cut pretty much in half if it weren't for gang violence. The UK doesn't have the inner city gang problem that the US does.
Another thing the UK doesn't have is a state sponsored drug war on their southern border due to basically open borders. It's hard to remedy that as you guys can see now. Any attempt to control the free flow of illegal immigration sends people out of their minds as you guys saw first hand as your little Trump balloon flew thru downtown London the other day.
So that's 2 sets of circumstances the UK doesn't have to deal with however it does look like y'all are beginning to get a taste of it at least in London lately. Gangs, drugs and murder rates all going up fast.
Point is, American culture and video games are not what is responsible for the gun crime in the US.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Well said !
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Based off your first statement you clearly are uneducated on that matter so do not bother bringing it up. If you think the US has killed more of its own people in history I advise you to look up in a encyclopedia that war called WW2. Ya'know when we had that one guy from germany and that other one from the Soviet Union. Pol Pot, ever heard of him? Yeah probably not based off that statement. Don't be ignorant and throw insults that are one factually incorrect and two stupid. Besides that the UK has a ton of stabbing issues. More of an issue right now than US shootings, you banned knives for pete's sake lol. So why even bother bringing up US "issues" when you clearly have your own stabbing and acid attacks? It's a futile and weak argument.
School shootings are not common. The media "makes it" seem common but there are very few that do. The ones that are the people who do them are psychotic and do it for the fame. That's not normal human behavior. To continue off what MacLeod said because I know you'll pull some crap out of nowhere and about your experience, more facts to debunk everything you said using the most accurate stats I had available a few months ago I used against a crazy liberal:
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed.
U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.
Statistically speaking, this is insignificant!
However a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100(30k * 17%). Next up, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C.
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities in the entire United States. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
Now add those 4 cities total and then subtract from the 5,100 figure.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. In other words, 75 murders per state per year, which is an average. Most states are below that. Strict gun law states are higher.
You're feeble argument is therefore destroyed. SO don't bring it up again. It would be trolling at that rate. The war you are talking about, aka the Civil War was about State Rights and the right to own SLAVES. If you think that war is unjustified you are a terrible person. No one deserves to be a slave. Many great nations had civil war and are now great leaders of the world. That's a stupid argument to make as well as I already mentioned...
No one cares if you are a parent or not. He never made a dig at anyone here. He was referencing in general. Yet more than one person in this thread got offended ironically. He never named anyone here taking offense to that is just weak minded.
We all have opinions on the matter but none of them are right. Each do something different in regards to parenting. That's fine. But those of you taking it to far or getting offended about parenting, chill. He never aimed anything at you.
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demonking
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I am in the school of i'll decide whats right for my children.
Me and my son (8) watched Geostorm last week that's a 12 rated film. We have watch Hancock and scores of older rated films together. Why did I let him watch it? because I watched it first and decided that it was suitable for HIM. and this has always been the case with everything my children are exposed to.
I let my son play Counter-strike (single player or with me), that's an 18 rated game but I feel it is suitable for him. On the other hand there is no way in hell I will be letting him play GTA5, Outlast, killing floor, L4D or a lot of my other games because they are not suitable for him.
I learnt the hard way of not properly vetting what I let him be exposed to. I tried to watch Life with him, that's a 12 rated film,I did not watch it first. He was traumatised the first time the alien attacked and we had to turn the film off. My bad and I felt so awful and a really bad farther.
My point is that IF you are going to expose your children to things that have been rated as not suitable for their age, you need to fully vet them first. and if you are a good parent you will make the decision based on Your child. every child is different and what will create bad habits, behaviours or upset your child might be suitable for mine and vice versa. The difference between being a good or bad parent in this situation is the amount of responsibility the parent takes in monitoring and controlling what they get exposed to.
Buying them a game or letting them watch a film that is rated for older children or adults just because their friend have it is bad. Checking it yourself and deciding it isn't suitable and not letting them have it is good parenting.
Just giving it to them to shut them up and get them off your back is what is causing this and its lazy and bad parenting.
Me and my son (8) watched Geostorm last week that's a 12 rated film. We have watch Hancock and scores of older rated films together. Why did I let him watch it? because I watched it first and decided that it was suitable for HIM. and this has always been the case with everything my children are exposed to.
I let my son play Counter-strike (single player or with me), that's an 18 rated game but I feel it is suitable for him. On the other hand there is no way in hell I will be letting him play GTA5, Outlast, killing floor, L4D or a lot of my other games because they are not suitable for him.
I learnt the hard way of not properly vetting what I let him be exposed to. I tried to watch Life with him, that's a 12 rated film,I did not watch it first. He was traumatised the first time the alien attacked and we had to turn the film off. My bad and I felt so awful and a really bad farther.
My point is that IF you are going to expose your children to things that have been rated as not suitable for their age, you need to fully vet them first. and if you are a good parent you will make the decision based on Your child. every child is different and what will create bad habits, behaviours or upset your child might be suitable for mine and vice versa. The difference between being a good or bad parent in this situation is the amount of responsibility the parent takes in monitoring and controlling what they get exposed to.
Buying them a game or letting them watch a film that is rated for older children or adults just because their friend have it is bad. Checking it yourself and deciding it isn't suitable and not letting them have it is good parenting.
Just giving it to them to shut them up and get them off your back is what is causing this and its lazy and bad parenting.
The_Governour
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This. Exactly this. I do the same with my 2 children.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Man so many people are getting offended. Why can nobody just realize his comment wasn't even about you? Seriously people relax.
Arne Saknussemm
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I spend all my time on Facebook and Instagram posting child rearing advice and appearing to be the perfect parent... so I actually don't have time for my kids. I buy them whatever just so they shut up and leave me alone. I just think of it like, if all the people I help online are raising their kids well... then mine are offset in some way and I can live the way I want.
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