Leaked Slides showcases the memory configs of Intel's ARC Alchemist GPUs

[WYP]

Intel has a 16GB graphics card on the horizon.



Read more about Intel's ARC Alchemist series graphics cards.

 

[AlienALX]

Saw a thing yesterday where they were talking to Raja. He said that Intel just wanted adoption and support. IE, the more people who have an Intel card the more game makers will support them going forward etc. It was suggested that they would sell their GPUs at very low profit margins or even a loss to gain that adoption.

It was a similar thing he tried to do at AMD. Well, not tried to, Polaris did indeed gain AMD a much bigger market share than before, but AMD have let that go since.

Very excited about all of this. Really does feel like a nice waft of fresh air.

 

[dazbobaby]

Saw a thing yesterday where they were talking to Raja. He said that Intel just wanted adoption and support. IE, the more people who have an Intel card the more game makers will support them going forward etc. It was suggested that they would sell their GPUs at very low profit margins or even a loss to gain that adoption.

It was a similar thing he tried to do at AMD. Well, not tried to, Polaris did indeed gain AMD a much bigger market share than before, but AMD have let that go since.

Very excited about all of this. Really does feel like a nice waft of fresh air.

Can't happen soon enough. The news around Nvidia is all bad at the moment. AMD not much better, so we need more GPU contenders to even things out.

 

[AlienALX]

Can't happen soon enough. The news around Nvidia is all bad at the moment. AMD not much better, so we need more GPU contenders to even things out.

I don't think AMD will weather this. I really don't. It's been clear for years that they simply don't really care. This is even more evident now, where they are charging Nvidia money for GPUs that carry hardly any of the technology that caused Nvidia to ramp up their prices.

They can not compete with Intel. At all. Even if they got close in performance terms (or even better) it doesn't matter. When you compete with a company you need to do it all the way through, and AMD just don't have the budget to do so.

Said it before the other day but may have been elsewhere... They got lucky with Ryzen. Very, very lucky. I mean it was great but Intel had a run of really terrible problems. Had they not? AMD would probably still be the cheaper brand tbh.

They won't get any luck in the GPU department. Nvidia and Intel have budgets they could only dream about. So whether they will continue to bother or just make APUs? IDK. Only one company can take on Nvidia at hype, marketing and share and that's Intel.

We will no doubt create another monster. However, the creation of it is where we will get decent deals and etc.

Now what I would love to see from Intel are really good APUs. Like, maybe a larger chip on its own chipset and board that has some real clout. IDK if AMD purposely hamstring their own APUs because of deals with Sony and M$ (I would strongly imagine so tbh) but yeah, I would like to see an all in one deal that can actually play games really well and not just barely.

Intel really won't have any of those constraints.

 

[KingNosser]

Intel are a year and a half behind, by the time these are out Nvidia and AMD are almost ready to go into the next gen leaving these behind.

I get your points but i don't fully agree, only time will tell if Intel really gain back ground and atm while they may get sales and invigorate the market, they are behind all the same.

 

[Dicehunter]

I don't think AMD will weather this. I really don't. It's been clear for years that they simply don't really care. This is even more evident now, where they are charging Nvidia money for GPUs that carry hardly any of the technology that caused Nvidia to ramp up their prices.

They can not compete with Intel. At all. Even if they got close in performance terms (or even better) it doesn't matter. When you compete with a company you need to do it all the way through, and AMD just don't have the budget to do so.

Said it before the other day but may have been elsewhere... They got lucky with Ryzen. Very, very lucky. I mean it was great but Intel had a run of really terrible problems. Had they not? AMD would probably still be the cheaper brand tbh.

They won't get any luck in the GPU department. Nvidia and Intel have budgets they could only dream about. So whether they will continue to bother or just make APUs? IDK. Only one company can take on Nvidia at hype, marketing and share and that's Intel.

We will no doubt create another monster. However, the creation of it is where we will get decent deals and etc.

Now what I would love to see from Intel are really good APUs. Like, maybe a larger chip on its own chipset and board that has some real clout. IDK if AMD purposely hamstring their own APUs because of deals with Sony and M$ (I would strongly imagine so tbh) but yeah, I would like to see an all in one deal that can actually play games really well and not just barely.

Intel really won't have any of those constraints.

I expect AMD to continue doing well in the rasterisation arena but also continue to be behind when it comes to features such as AI upscaling and RT, Both of which are now making some really nice visual differences in games especially DLSS 2.3+.

 

[AlienALX]

Intel are a year and a half behind, by the time these are out Nvidia and AMD are almost ready to go into the next gen leaving these behind.

I get your points but i don't fully agree, only time will tell if Intel really gain back ground and atm while they may get sales and invigorate the market, they are behind all the same.

Intel already have the technology to compete with Nvidia by the end of next year, and that includes the 4090.

The biggest problem they face is drivers and support. Thus, releasing a herculean GPU now that may suffer from those issues is not a good idea. Walk before you run, remember?

Their first GPUs will be cheap and cheerful to entice people to adopt. Even if Intel sold them for $0 profit or a loss it would be good, as they need market share and mind share. Once they gain that? then they can compete.

The 6900XT is faster at all of the things it can do that the 3090 can also. It's things like Dice mentioned that AMD are not competing on at all.

As such? if these were normal times? Nvidia would have dealt a death blow to AMD with Ampere. If they had got them out at the RRP? lol who would have bought an AMD card?

There are superfluous features we can do without. Like Ray Tracing for example. However, DLSS? is one of those that you really do want to have. Fact is AMD have totally half assed it because their cards don't carry what is needed to do it properly. And that is one area Intel have definitely been paying attention to. Their cards *do* support it and they support it properly. But again, adoption and support? 99% of the task.

There's no point trying to compete until they have their foot in the door. Believe it or not that has already begun - with laptops. One area Nvidia do not and can not compete in, and that's low powered cheap GPU chips for laptops. And even if they did mass produce the 3050 for laptops? LOL who do you think Dell etc are going to buy from?

That is the beginning. Getting the main OEMs onboard. Which Intel already have had for years and why they are still miles and miles ahead of AMD. As a basic example? go look on sites like Dell and Alienware. That total waste of sand called the 11 series by Intel? is prevalent everywhere, with the "odd" AMD Ryzen version.

They will start off with something like Polaris. Totally irresistible to nearly all gamers (IE normal gamers and not extreme tech heads) and from there? that's how they get their foot in the door.

 

[KingNosser]

I'm not saying they can't compete i'm saying they are behind.

As for AMD I still think most people don't see the progress that has and will be made in there GPU department, the next gen of cards are going to be monsters. While everyone is banging on about DLSS and RT I have a 6800XT not only do i not need DLSS at all RT is totally playable, come next gen i dare say that will have improved drastically.

Like i said time will tell, but i still feel the common opinion is AMD don't have the goods when the reality if far from that, Nvidia and Intel have the money but when has that ever been different it's no different to any industy look at Microsoft blatently buying there way into the industry now.

Intel will have a first foot in the door on the GPU front but they are a few gens behind before they actually compete but sure they will sell some GPU's cause anything sells atm anything, but as for drivers and AI ect while they do have a good software department they could just as easily bodge it all up while everyone is singing the praises and being overly positive when they have physically shown nothing yet.

 

[Warchild]

I'm not saying they can't compete i'm saying they are behind.

As for AMD I still think most people don't see the progress that has and will be made in there GPU department, the next gen of cards are going to be monsters. While everyone is banging on about DLSS and RT I have a 6800XT not only do i not need DLSS at all RT is totally playable, come next gen i dare say that will have improved drastically.

Like i said time will tell, but i still feel the common opinion is AMD don't have the goods when the reality if far from that, Nvidia and Intel have the money but when has that ever been different it's no different to any industy look at Microsoft blatently buying there way into the industry now.

Intel will have a first foot in the door on the GPU front but they are a few gens behind before they actually compete but sure they will sell some GPU's cause anything sells atm anything, but as for drivers and AI ect while they do have a good software department they could just as easily bodge it all up while everyone is singing the praises and being overly positive when they have physically shown nothing yet.

While I agree with you, I have a small issue with these comments.

1. The hype train for a decade has always boasted "AMD next card will be a monster and nvidia killer"... We have not seen that happen and doubt we will for a long time.

2. RT is playable... RT is playable on 30fps but we dont want just playable, we want mind blowing immersion. Nvidia can give this, AMD can't (not yet anyway)


I just think, as much as we despise Intel for their greed or <insert corporate hate comment>, they do release good products like the 12th gen. And we definately needed them or anyone at all basically to become a 3rd competitor in the GPU market.

What we won't see sadly in this day and age, is GPU becoming more affordable. Those days are gone.

 

[KingNosser]

Even Cyberpunk at max settings i get 50fps the only game that go's down to 30fps is minecraft oddly, but then minecraft was always a more demanding game than most.

GPU prices are not going to go down they are going to go upwards more yet.

The difference between the hype of old and now, is this time around the hype was mainly from users and not the company itself, they delivered a good product best in many many years.

Intel will sell plenty of cards but i honestly do feel they are 2 gens behind before the others will be having solied pants, but they will get there.

As for the next gen of cards, they really are going to be powerful you might as well put my 6800XT as a rebranded lower mid card the chiplet design is going to change things alot, as far as i know Nvidia are still going with a monolithic die, but i expect they will still keep up and for Intel to do well going forward they need to keep up with that pace and being honest they have little time to do it.

I can agree that DXR on amd is behind generally but it's not as massive as most of you think really, i fully expect that to change drastically, but like all things time will tell.

Bare in mind i play 1440p and my ryzen 1700 isn't doing as well as a 5800x would.