It's time to watercool again!

Mysterae

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My pc has changed a little since I last posted it on OC3D; instead of the 570 it now sports 2x EVGA GTX670 SC 4GB cards feeding my Dell U3011. All the rest of the kit is ample power, but something is failing and another thing is bugging me.

Firstly the Coolit Vantage sealed cpu cooler is failing. It's been flawless up until 3 months ago when I first noticed temps creep up. I think it must be eventually losing coolant as these "sealed" units usually do overtime. Not a noticable leak, more like evaporation.

The 2 graphics cards are bugging me due to the heat and fan noise at such heat, despite the positive case pressure of the FT02. I can get these cards over 80C at full pelt (auto fan settings), which restricts my overclock and implements the Nvidia down-clock.

So the solution? Watercool! I've done a custom watercooling system years ago (Parallel Hex on Hardocp) where I watercooled everything. This time I'm planning on watercooling only the cpu and 2 gpu's.

My eventual aim is to have a completely autonomous system where the fan and pump speeds are dictated by the load on the system. Perhaps by an Aquacomputer Aquaero, but that's expensive and maybe a bit OTT for such a simple loop. The Silverstone FT02 case I have isn't ideal for watercooling without some modification to drive cages to fit the size of rad I want. Also I don't like the concept of radiators that draw air in from the outside and blanket the internals in their warm wake to then be extracted out the other end (or through another rad!). Many builds I've seen seem to have no major problems with it though, but for me I want the warm air out the case and out the room too - out the window!

So an external rad is a must for me, sat on the window sill next to the case. Draw cold air in during the winter, flip it over to extract the hot air out in the summer. Sound feasible?

Anyways, I'd appreciate your comments on my component shortlist; a mishmash from different manufacturers:

Radiator - Watercool MO-R3 Pro 4x180 (plus stand and grill)
Reservoir - Koolance RP-452X2 V2 (dual D5)
Pumps - 2x XSPC D5 Vario (or perhaps Aquacomputer D5 USB controlled, extra cost!)
CPU block - undecided here, shortlisted - Koolance CPU 370, XSPC Raystorm (the chrome one looks nice!) or Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos XT
GPU blocks - 2x XSPC Raystorm GPU (I'll explain why later)
Rad fans - 4x Silverstone SST-AP181 (180mm), perhaps another 4 for push-pull, but controlling them may be a pain.

I may add water temp and flow sensors to the list - although I'd like an autonomous system I still like to monitor it all.

I've picked a universal GPU block rather than a full-face waterblock for a few reasons. It may be able to be re-used with future cards, maybe. Also, the 670 looks damn stupid with any block attached; it's so small! My idea is once the gpu is on is to refit the EVGA's fan and shroud. This will maintain the cards looks (utilising the backplate too) and fixing the cards fan speed to 30% will help cool the vrm's heatsink and still be quiet. The cover will need some modification of course, for the pipework. I'm not 100% settled on this idea though, or if it's even possible to refit the fan and shroud with a block fitted (obviously the heatsink element will be removed).

So that's my plan, any thoughts? I'll probably be starting this in March, there's no real hurry. Sorry for the long post, hopefully it's been interesting none the less!
 
I run an external rad with virtually the same case.

I drilled m20 holes into the back of the case to screw bitspower bulkheads to.

When I eventually upgrade gpus I will move the watercooling internal. External is ok but there's always this nagging feeling that internal would be better.
 
When you say the back of the case, you mean the rear or the other side panel? I think my exit route for the pipes (probably using quick disconnects) will be where the small rad of the Coolit Vantage sits. The only problem I see is that it's close to the PSU so have to be very careful with drips.

I agree that internal rads are better looking and obviously contained. A lot of work to getting it to look right for sure. I don't think I'll get acceptable performance with internal radiators in the FT02. I have all 5 hotswap drive bays populated, removing them is not an option. A 240 in the bottom and a 120 at the top won't be enough.
 
When you say the back of the case, you mean the rear or the other side panel? I think my exit route for the pipes (probably using quick disconnects) will be where the small rad of the Coolit Vantage sits. The only problem I see is that it's close to the PSU so have to be very careful with drips.

I agree that internal rads are better looking and obviously contained. A lot of work to getting it to look right for sure. I don't think I'll get acceptable performance with internal radiators in the FT02. I have all 5 hotswap drive bays populated, removing them is not an option. A 240 in the bottom and a 120 at the top won't be enough.

I mean in the rear panel below the psu fan filter.

You can get a 2 x 180mm rad for the bottom of the ft02.
 
Yeah, that was one place I was thinking too. I'm going to try and keep all the pipework higher up in the case though, no lower than the cpu block.

I forgot about the 2x180 rads, to be honest I just dismissed internal rads and decided on external! The video on OC3D of the external Pobya 1080 was very interesting, shame on the cost by the time you add in the extras (the rad box, 180mm fan adaptor, grill etc). The Watercool MO-R3 (4x180) gets some good reviews.
 
From the man himself:



btw there's virtually nowhere else to feed tubing out up top. You have the fan control pcb between the psu and the 120mm fan and the panel behind the fan (if you mount the fan externally) would mean the tubing/90's on the bulkheads would clash with the mobo I/O
 
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Yeah I've seen that video before, and watched it again to refresh my memory! It just reinforces the pointlessness of all that work to fit a rad in the bottom when it won't handle the load of an i7 2600k and 2 GTX670's. I appreciate the work of Tom does illustrating what's possible though.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not a fan of rads that draw air in and blanket the internals in their warm air, despite what Tom says in the video. So external it is! I've had a look at the top of the case and you are right about being limited in where the pipes to the external rad can go, considering the length of qdc's. Below the psu it will probably be.

Cheers for your insight NRG!
 
You can get bigger rads in there than what tom gets in...
LL
 
These Silverstone AP181 push AIR like crazy.
Best case air cooling out of box are Silverstone case(Fortress/Raven).

But these rotate motherboard... I can't used on that.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I'm not a fan of rads that draw air in and blanket the internals in their warm air, despite what Tom says in the video. So external it is! I've had a look at the top of the case and you are right about being limited in where the pipes to the external rad can go, considering the length of qdc's. Below the psu it will probably be.

Cheers for your insight NRG!

Here's the way I routed mine for reference.
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You can get bigger rads in there than what tom gets in...
LL

Seen a few like that as well, but even the pc in the picture above is using another rad externally (what's with the pump/res sat on the rhs fan!). Don't want to lose the hd cages either, although they could be relocated the larger slots above. No mater how I cut it there isn't going to be enough rad space to cool what I want.

Cheers for the image NRG, interesting that you positioned the vertically instead of horizontally (what I was thinking). I'd need to make power connectors here to for the fans of the rad, and perhaps something else...

I'm looking / thinking about moving away from a drive bay pump/reservoir and considering mounting a cylinder type pump/reservoir combo (possibly two) on the rad itself. The water flowing in the case would be minimal and hopefully clean looking. Hmm, sketching up my thoughts to see what it would look like!
 
I did them vertical because I have an ax1200i and the cables *could* interfere with the tubing routing if I was to have them too far over.
 
The way I have it atm it wouldn't have been an issue, but I wasn't sure as I run my gpu power cables around the front of the fans under the window.
 
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