Info: Peltiers & how to use them + other related resources

[O-CuK]Marci

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For an installation guide for TECs on your CPU using a Maze4-1 block, see HERE

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The pic above shows the average pelt in action kinda thang...

As the guys above have said, it's basically a grid of metal conductors that move electrons from one side of the device to the other. One side gets cold, the other side gets hot. Either side of this grid is a thin ceramic sheeting. The entire lot is then bonded round the edges to seal it (ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOUR PELTS COME PRE-BONDED / EPOXIED!!)

They aren't actually called pelts. That's the name of the guy that invented them... but hey-ho, that's what we all know em by nowadays... so anyways....

For a CPU you need a 220w pelt nowadays. For a graphics card, 156w, and for your northbridge an 80w usually does the job. People very rarely use all 3 together tho...

Firstly, you mask off the CPU Socket Pin holes. Then you get a can of spray-on Silicon Conformal Coating, and cover center of the cpu socket, and spray a good 2" all the way round the edge of the CPU socket. Mask off any AGP slots, RAM Slots, or Northbridge chips etc as if the coating gets on these it'll stop stuff working (to put it basically) and if it gets on the northbridge chip then you'll lose conductivity between the chip and whatever heatsink you apply. Next, once that's dried, you have to fill the center of the cpu socket with dielectric grease, and I do mean fill it, right up to just above the surface of the socket. Next you fill the pin holes within the socket...

Then you smear dielectric grease all the way round the socket, and add layers of neoprene foam to condensation seal the cold are of your pelt block (ie, from the copper plate of your waterblock all the way down to the board must be filled with foam.) Condensation occurs when warm air hits a cold item. It condenses and in our case generally freezes into ice on your block. When you turn off your PC, this defrosts all over your mobo, cpu, graphics card etc etc. Bad News. So condensation proofing your board before use is essential.

The image below shows the view down onto the socket.

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As you can see, the condensation proofing surrounds the ENTIRE socket and a good few cm's all the way round. You cut the foam out and apply a good layer of dielectric grease to the surface of the foam which will be in contact with the baord, and the surface of the sides of the square cut away for the socket. You then push this on top, and seal round where it meets the socket. Now, drop in your cpu, and cut a VERY thin piece of foam (about 0.7mm thick) to use as a shim ontop of your cpu (remembering of course to cut a hole slightly bigger than the core so that the core itself makes direct contact with the coldplate). Add a thin layer of dielectric to both sides of this and pop it ontop of your processor. Then apply your AS3 to the core of the chip.

Now turn over your mobo, spray the SAME surface area on the back of your board (as covered by your neoprene on the front-side of the board) with silicon conformal coating. Let it dry. Apply a layer of dielectric grease, and then place a rectangle of 1mm/2mm Neoprene onto this. This prevents any condensation buildup on the BACK of your motherboard. The aim of all this condensation proofing is to stop ANY air getting to the surfaces that the pelt will be cooling down to lower-than-ambient temperature, as that's where condensation will occur.

Now, get your pelt and a PC Power Supply.

Plug the PSU ito the mains and get it turned on, and take the pelt between finger and thumb. Get someone else to hold the black wire into a black contact on a 4pin molex on the psu, then gently touch the red wire into a yellow socket. Only do this for a fraction of a second. Leave it a second, do it again. You should be able to feel either your thumb or finger get cold. Whichever side gets cold, just put a dot on it with a pencil so that you know for later on. Next, hold the pelt over your socket with the coldside pointing down towards the CPU, and cut two slits in the neoprene foam for the wires to pass thru, then smear dielectric grease into those slits. Put the pelt to one side.

Turn to your copper coldplate next. Place a small drop of AS3 onto a piece of plastic, and run it into the base of the coldplate to fill any small anomalies in the surface. Cover the other side with a clear silicon based thermal compound (not AS3). Place the COLD side of the pelt onto this surface... then cover the hot side of the pelt with another layer of clear silicon compound, and plonk this side onto the base of your waterblock. Then cover the SIDES of the coldplate, edges of the pelt, and any overhanging base of your waterblcok with dielectric grease. Place all of this into the hole cut in the foam. If you've measured everything right then it will sit perfectly atop your CPU. tighten down your mounting mechanism and job done! Pelt fitted and condensation proofed...

The hot side MUST be actively cooled (by water preferably and a 2x120mm rad minimum) whenever the pelt is powered up. At no time should you run the pelt without active cooling on the hotside, and at no time should you run the pelt and watercooling system WITHOUT the rad-fans running. The water in your system will just boil and blow a hole in the weakest points in your system, usually your rad and around your barb seals of your block. A quick safety measure is, on the TOP surface of your radiator, drill a small hole then put a blob of silicon sealant on top to seal the hole back up. Now, if the water ever does boil for whatever reason, this will be the point to go, rather than damaging anywhere else in your system. And if it does go, it should just release pressure thru a pinhole leak in the silicon, which will reseal itself when it cools back down again. Make sure that this hole is in a position where if it DOES ever leak it won't leak onto anything essential or electrically live in your rig. I have a small metal box kinda thang under mine with a piece of sponge in to catch anything as generally it jsut vents steam if it happens and a tiny amount of water. BUT if you HADN'T drilled this hole in the res and applied silicon sealant, then it's highly likely that your tubing or something else would've given way first that would've caused a LOT more damage. Your waterblock's base MUST be equal to or greater than the pelt that your applying to it, and the area in contact with the pelt should be entirely copper.

Few pointers.

You CANNOT use a PC Power Supply to power both your PC and your Pelt. Non exist that are strong enough and you WILL damage your system if you try it. At a push you can get away with using a 520 or 550w psu to power the PELT ON IT'S OWN, but it generally won't last long, and will under-power the pelt. Proper PSUs are available from Meanwell and other companies (see swiftech's website at www.swiftnets.com) and cost around £100. You MUST ensure that the PSU used can provide adequate WATTAGE and AMPAGE. These are the 2 crucial factors. You can run a 15v Pelt on 12v quite happily, it just won't perform as well as it would on 15v. BUT if you use a PSU that can't provide the correct ampage then eventually that PSU will blow, or the Pelt will.

So, that is THE BASICS of using/installing pelts. I could go into more detail.... but I'm saving that for the DangerDen installation manuals I'm writing, which I'll share with you all here on the forums when they're done (DangerDen make a pre-fitted Pelt-waterblock)

A quick run down on what I use in my Pelt rig:

DangerDen Maze3-1 PeltBlock

226w Pelt

Meanwell S-320-12 Pelt PSU

TC3x120 Radiator

3x YSTech 120mm Fans

1x Z-chispet Northbridge Waterblock

1x GPU Waterblock

12x 1/2" hoseclips

1x Eheim 1250 pump

1x DangerDen Clear Reservoir

3 mtrs 1/2" ID Tubing (Clearflex)

1x tube of Dielectric Grease

1x Can of silicon conformal coating

1x tube of AS3

1x tube of clear silicon based thermal compound

1x craft knife

1x roll masking tape

4x sheets 5mm Neoprene

0.5mtrs of 25A single-core mains wire (for connecting pelt to pelt PSU)

1x length of 3core mains (whatever length you need from pelt psu to mains plug) and a plug to go on the end

2x Swiftech Pump Relays RevII (50A Inrush supported)

(1 for your pump, 1 for your pelt psu)

That's more or less everything you need to pelt cool your CPU, and watercool your Northbridge and GPU.

This maintains my rig at 2.6Ghz under 100% load at 12 degrees at the moment using 1.95v on CPU Core. At stock speeds of 2Ghz (XP2400+) the system when idleing gets down to around -10 degrees, and under load sits at -6 degrees.</font>

TEC Wattage / Voltage Charts

I 'nicked this from bl**dy Sorcerer from over at XS forums, thanks mate :)

It's not going to be 100% as it's worked from formula Q=2*Qmax*I%-Qmax*(I%)^2 where I%=volts/VMax but is really as accurate as it needs to be to figure out if your TEC is gonna handle what you need it to handle at a given voltage.

Hope it helps out over here :)

80 watt / 16.1 VMax / 8.0 IMax

5 volts: 41.9 watts; 2.48 amps

6 volts: 48.5 watts; 2.98 amps

7 volts: 54.4 watts; 3.47 amps

8 volts: 59.7 watts; 3.97 amps

9 volts: 64.4 watts; 4.47 amps

10 volts: 68.5 watts; 4.96 amps

11 volts: 71.9 watts; 5.46 amps

12 volts: 74.8 watts; 5.96 amps

13 volts: 77.0 watts; 6.45 amps

14 volts: 78.6 watts; 6.95 amps

15 volts: 79.6 watts; 7.45 amps

16 volts: 79.9 watts; 7.95 amps

120 watts / 24.6 VMax / 7.9 IMax

5 volts: 43.8 watts; 1.60 amps

6 volts: 51.3 watts; 1.92 amps

7 volts: 58.5 watts; 2.24 amps

8 volts: 65.3 watts; 2.56 amps

9 volts: 71.7 watts; 2.89 amps

10 volts: 77.7 watts; 3.21 amps

11 volts: 83.3 watts; 3.53 amps

12 volts: 88.5 watts; 3.85 amps

13 volts: 93.3 watts; 4.17 amps

14 volts: 97.7 watts; 4.49 amps

15 volts: 101.7 watts; 4.81 amps

16 volts: 105.3 watts; 5.13 amps

17 volts: 108.5 watts; 5.45 amps

18 volts: 111.3 watts; 5.78 amps

19 volts: 113.7 watts; 6.1 amps

20 volts: 115.8 watts; 6.42 amps

21 volts: 117.4 watts; 6.74 amps

22 volts: 118.6 watts; 7.06 amps

23 volts: 119.4 watts; 7.38 amps

24 volts: 119.9 watts; 7.70 amps

169 watt / 16.4 VMax / 16.1 IMax

5 volts: 87.3 watts; 4.90 amps

6 volts: 101.0 watts; 5.89 amps

7 volts: 113.4 watts; 6.87 amps

8 volts: 124.6 watts; 7.85 amps

9 volts: 134.5 watts; 8.83 amps

10 volts: 143.2 watts; 9.81 amps

11 volts: 150.6 watts; 10.79 amps

12 volts: 156.8 watts; 11.78 amps

13 volts: 161.7 watts; 12.76 amps

14 volts: 165.3 watts; 13.74 amps

15 volts: 167.7 watts; 14.72 amps

16 volts: 168.9 watts; 15.70 amps

172 watt / 24.6 VMax / ??? IMax

5 volts: 62.8 watts

6 volts: 73.6 watts

7 volts: 83.9 watts

8 volts: 93.6 watts

9 volts: 102.8 watts

10 volts: 111.4 watts

11 volts: 119.4 watts

12 volts: 126.8 watts

13 volts: 133.7 watts

14 volts: 140.0 watts

15 volts: 145.8 watts

16 volts: 150.9 watts

17 volts: 155.5 watts

18 volts: 159.6 watts

19 volts: 163.0 watts

20 volts: 165.9 watts

21 volts: 168.3 watts

22 volts: 170.0 watts

23 volts: 171.2 watts

24 volts: 171.9 watts

226 watt / 15.2 VMax / 24 IMax

5 volts: 124.2 watts; 7.89 amps

6 volts: 143.2 watts; 9.47 amps

7 volts: 160.2 watts; 11.05 amps

8 volts: 175.2 watts; 12.63 amps

9 volts: 188.4 watts; 14.21 amps

10 volts: 199.5 watts; 15.78 amps

11 volts: 208.7 watts; 17.36 amps

12 volts: 215.9 watts; 18.94 amps

13 volts: 221.2 watts; 20.52 amps

14 volts: 224.5 watts; 22.10 amps

15 volts: 225.9 watts; 23.68 amps

320 watt / 15.2 VMax / 26 IMax

5 volts: 175.9 watts

6 volts: 202.7 watts

7 volts: 226.8 watts

8 volts: 248.2 watts

9 volts: 266.7 watts

10 volts: 282.5 watts

11 volts: 295.5 watts

12 volts: 305.8 watts

13 volts: 313.3 watts

14 volts: 318.0 watts

15 volts: 319.9 watts

437 watt / 26.7 VMax / 32.8 IMax

5 volts: 148.3 watts; 6.14 amps

6 volts: 174.3 watts; 7.37 amps

7 volts: 199.1 watts; 8.59 amps

8 volts: 222.6 watts; 9.82 amps

9 volts: 244.9 watts; 11.05 amps

10 volts: 266.0 watts; 12.28 amps

11 volts: 285.9 watts; 13.51 amps

12 volts: 304.5 watts; 14.74 amps

13 volts: 321.9 watts; 15.97 amps

14 volts: 338.1 watts; 17.19 amps

15 volts: 353.0 watts; 18.42 amps

16 volts: 366.8 watts; 19.65 amps

17 volts: 379.3 watts; 20.88 amps

18 volts: 390.6 watts; 22.11 amps

19 volts: 400.6 watts; 23.34 amps

20 volts: 409.4 watts; 24.56 amps

21 volts: 417.0 watts; 25.79 amps

22 volts: 423.4 watts; 27.02 amps

23 volts: 428.6 watts; 28.25 amps

24 volts: 432.5 watts; 29.48 amps

25 volts: 435.2 watts; 30.71 amps

26 volts: 436.7 watts; 31.94 amps

Cheers

Gray
 
Hey Marci, this method of cooling was the only one I didn't know much about and having devoted my time to more familiar cooling methods I have not bothered to research Peltier cooling at all. I'd just like to say that I enjoyed reading your guide and look forward to reading your forthcoming work even though I may never put it to use.

I vote this for sticky BTW! :)
 
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