GTX Titan LE?

[Mgutierrez33]

http://www.rwlabs.com/newsitem.php?id=6575

anyone seen this yet? Not really sure what to make of it since it's so soon after the release of the Titan, but an LE version would make a LOT of sense... but would only serve to reinforce the fact that the Titan is what the 680 SHOULD have been, and that nVidia was holding back...

... on the OTHER hand, was it necessarily all that terrible that they held back, if that IS, in fact, the case? Everyone should be well aware of the fact that healthy competition drives innovation and intention, thereby creating more of a need to create "bigger" and better products, thus keeping sales healthy, the economy healthy, consumer interest peaked, and the competition on their toes. True that in this case it means that nVidia hasn't really done all THAT much here, but that kind of helps out AMD's GPU R&D; by trickling out technology like this at the rate with which nVidia has done, it keeps the market healthy and thriving, with technology at every price point that suits the needs of every enthusiast, mainstream gamer, and general computationalist (I JUST made that word up) out there.

Either way, I would be very much happy if this supposed Titan LE video card exists and is a thing that will be coming out in the (hopefully) near future. As it stands there is a pretty sizable gap in the single GPU market between the 680/7970 and the Titan, so a Titan LE card makes a lot of sense at the moment, maximizing nVidia's capacity to provide something at every price point with appropriate performance scaling, while not entirely bumping AMD out of the competition since AMD's thing is dual GPU cards that have Warp 10 level of performance at an "affordable" price point anyway.

Time will tell if this amounts to anything, so I leave you the well-to-do and well informed (thanks to this lovely forum) reader to ponder this one for yourselves. I have left you with the topic: DISCUSS!

 

[Mark3Max]

This might be interesting if they DO come out with a more affordable version of the Titan. But in my opinion Nvidia charges way to much for their cards. It's good that they finally stepped up their program to match AMD with the 384bit memory( it's about time). But they really need to rethink their pricing , not everyone has $1000 for a new video card.

 

[AverageNinja]

This might be interesting if they DO come out with a more affordable version of the Titan. But in my opinion Nvidia charges way to much for their cards. It's good that they finally stepped up their program to match AMD with the 384bit memory( it's about time). But they really need to rethink their pricing , not everyone has $1000 for a new video card.

Honestly 256bit is fine mate
The 660Ti uses 192bit I think and it's still a solid performer.
Higher memory-interface hardly makes any difference. The GTX 670 is still almost as good as the 7970 and cheaper.

 

[iBeInspire]

Honestly 256bit is fine mate
The 660Ti uses 192bit I think and it's still a solid performer.
Higher memory-interface hardly makes any difference. The GTX 670 is still almost as good as the 7970 and cheaper.

The interface is one of the main reason the 7970 pulls away by such a big margin once you start upping the res

 

[alienware]

The memory bandwidth debate rages on, eh?

Cast your mind back a little to the 5870.The 5870 had a 256 bit memory bus.

Then look at the 5770. It had a crippled 128 bit memory bus. However 'on paper' two 5770s easily sailed past the 5870. Of course looking back and knowing what we know now (about runt and dropped frames) the FPS being shown could have been a smoke screen but there's no arguing it must have worked at least some of the time.

Then look at a pair of GTX 660 in SLI, or, even the 650ti Boost cards. None of those set ups are hampered by the memory bus.

There are certain functions on GPUs that don't make the improvements that it sounds like they do. Having a massive memory bus is all well and good but like PCIE lane bandwidth if you're not using it all or getting close to the maximums then there's not a lot of point.

Nvidia need to be really careful with Titan LE. Cutting down the memory size and or bandwidth will not hurt it much and they could end up undermining themselves.

Look at cards such as the 680 vs the 670. In the end they pretty much rendered their own card not worth buying.

Titan will still appeal to fanboys and snobs which is fine, but, sense has gone out of the window with it and they could end up turning it into a white elephant.

 

[Damien c]

I am keeping a eye on the rumours of the Titan LE, and have been since I first saw the rumours last month.

 

[Roooker]

Hmm looks interesting.. not sure what the pricing will be..

 

[Mgutierrez33]

Agreed, they can't really continue to price themselves out with this one. It's just going to make their lineup look silly. I honestly feel like AMD's video card lineup presently feels like a bit of a better lineup at this point, and NOT because I'm a fan one way or another. I feel like, with the exception of the 7790 which was reviewed here and turned out to be a steaming pile of fertilizer, that each of the cards in their lineup fits into not only a VERY appropriate pricing bracket, but also nets you plenty of out-of-the-box performance as well as tons of potential for the enthusiast who wants to overclock the cards. nVidia's cards are all dynamite too, to be sure, but the pricing on the cards just doesn't quite add up. Memory bus arguments and such aside, in their current price points they all match up well against the AMD competition, but they do so in a way that leaves them with several cards out of the normal pricing scheme, which leaves with them with a 680 that not too many people buy as a result of the close performance of the 670, a Titan and GTX 690 that only those with ALL of the expendable income can afford, and soon a Titan LE card that, while a more attainable and reasonably priced variant, is still out of reach to most enthusiasts because shelling out 600+ dollars (speculating on price) in ANYONE'S currency for ONE video card is a tad much.

The other issue with the pricing scheme with these cards is that AMD doesn't really have anything as massive in the single GPU segment as Titan, and it doesn't seem like they plan for one in the immediately foreseeable future for the mainstream market. This means that they have no direct competition, and AMD may have the right of it on this one: they know that even though their GPU architecture could be considered by some to be lacking in comparison to nVidia, it STILL does exactly what they need it to do: play games, and play them exceptionally well, at a price point well suited to the shallow pockets of a lot of gamers out there. There's just no raisin to produce such a large swath of exorbitantly priced cards, especially when there's no competition for them and few, if any, will be sold to recoup any costs associated with said cards.

 

[grassman]

Another Nvidia chip anther retarded price tag.
Better off waiting until Christmas surely the 8970 will out perform this one?

What reallllly sucks about this is Nvidia can start a new trend where say AMD releases the 8970 and it out performs the Titan... We'll they can then set the price at $1000 rather then the norm $500 launch price tag.

Thanks Nvidia for continuing to fuck up the industry with your ugly right hand

 

[WillSK]

Another Nvidia chip anther retarded price tag.
Better off waiting until Christmas surely the 8970 will out perform this one?

What reallllly sucks about this is Nvidia can start a new trend where say AMD releases the 8970 and it out performs the Titan... We'll they can then set the price at $1000 rather then the norm $500 launch price tag.

Thanks Nvidia for continuing to fuck up the industry with your ugly right hand

It would be awful if that happened but i highly doubt it as i'm sure AMD would rather dominate the market with a high priced card than have a handful of people lucky enough to have the expendable income with a ridiculously priced card

 

[grassman]

Everyone seems worried about AMD going under ATM. Looking at there incoming tech and investments in the console and PC gaming world. I think Nvidia are the more likely to fall on there arse with these bogus maneuvers of theirs.

You heard it here first 2014 is the year Nvidia and Microsoft fall on there arse.

edit

Getting a little deeper into that now, I think there doing it on purpose. Let the stocks fall on there arse, And Intel can take over for pennies on the pound. No way can anyone be this stupid? The cycle continues, Intel counter with a superior iteration and AMD innovates.

 

[trent]

Another lousy attempt from nVidia to get some attention. The truth it the market is frozen, with no real new stuff coming from both nVidia and AMD. Why would anyone buy this LE (not to be mistaken with Luxury Edition) when there is 7970 much cheaper and nice overclock is going to have the same performance.

 

[alienware]

Another lousy attempt from nVidia to get some attention. The truth it the market is frozen, with no real new stuff coming from both nVidia and AMD. Why would anyone buy this LE (not to be mistaken with Luxury Edition) when there is 7970 much cheaper and nice overclock is going to have the same performance.

If the LE performs anywhere close to the actual Titan then a 7970 doesn't stand a chance.

There's no denying the muscles of Titan, it's just the price. Knocking back the vram to 5gb won't hurt it so it just depends on how much of the core they cut out. With any luck it will be like the GTX 670. Enough of it left in to make sure when overclocked it keeps up with its more expensive sibling.

Sad fact is that right now AMD have no answer. Their media press statements have said it all where they have (and rightly so in some points they made) slated Titan as being too expensive with no real value.

Some of that is sour grapes, some of it holds some truth.

As for AMD going under? no chance.

 

[trent]

AMD will not for sure go under, at least with the sweet deals they have with both Sony and M$ for the next gen consoles.
What is bad news for all of us is products like Titan/LE, nVidia now thinks they can do whatever thy want with the prices, they tried to pass that philosophy back with 8800Ultra, but sadly for them that didn't fly well and they had to quickly reduce the prices. Now with the years they slowly tried the same aproach, just very slowly and silently, and now we have this $1000 "super, mega number one card", but than again 690 kills it for the same price and 7970 in crossX kills it with $300 less price tag...

 

[grassman]

No answer is the best answer its a ludicrous price point.

Apparently Nvidia will be showcasing the 700 series in June.. If that's the case then Nvidia have pretty much admitted defeat and are handing market control over to AMD.

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BTW guys what I was saying is Nvidia will go under not AMD. Not under but bought out for pennies on the pound.

 

[alienware]

AMD will not for sure go under, at least with the sweet deals they have with both Sony and M$ for the next gen consoles.
What is bad news for all us is products like Titan/LE, nVidia now thinks they can do whatever thy want with the prices, they tried to pass that philosophy back with 8800Ultra, but sadly for them that didn't fly that well and had to quickly reduce the prices. Now with the years they slowly tried the same aproach, just very slowly and silently, and now we have this $1000 "super, mega number one card", but than again 690 kills it for the same price and 7970 in crossX kills it with $300 less price tag...

They do like releasing the odd pointless card that costs the earth, yeah. 8800U was obviously a complete waste of money given you could volt mod the GTX easily and gain the same card.

TBH? fair play to them. They really had no real valid reason to even release it other than finding something to do with the failed Teslas they have. So they're only really doing it for marketing PR and cock waving (which has annoyed AMD somewhat).

It's a feat of engineering really. Of course in no circumstances should it even be considered in the real world but they're just flexing muscles. Having a card like that does tend to make people want to go with the company that makes it.

Crossfire X has way too many issues right now tbh. In the real world at the end of the monitor cable a Titan will easily beat 7970 CFX. Until AMD can get their heads around that and sort it out Crossfire is just a waste of money.

I would surmise that AMD have delayed the 7990 tbh. It should have been out by now yet they have gone awfully quiet since PCper and others started to research what happens on the end of it.

 

[Spiderz]

The success of the Titan LE depends wholly on price. If it is anywhere near 680 pricing or if it could end up as the GTX 780 depending on how worried NVIDIA are of the next AMD offerings then they could be onto a winner.

They have got the pricing wrong this generation with the 670 being quite a bit cheaper than the 680 but close in performance. Couple that with the aggressive pricing of the AMD cards and NVIDIA are surely losing sales.

Would love to see NVIDIA matching prices more closely with AMD, getting some more competition into the market can only be good for the consumer.

 

[grassman]

They won't shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[trent]

Yeah, the rummer is around 650-700 $/Euro, so...that's that.

 

[alienware]

They won't shooting themselves in the foot.

GPU OEMs do it all the time though.

The 680 isn't worth buying over the 670 and the 7970 hardly stands out against the 7950.

Then you have the 7870 LE which almost makes a mockery of the 7950.