Crossfire discussion

Eguy

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http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/09/26/ati_crossfire_detail/1.html

bah this is for harmonic as I do not give a **** about crossfire ;)

CrossFire's gestation NVIDIA hit a home run with the launch of SLI in the middle of last year, alongside the GeForce 6 series of cards. Nobody expected SLI to ever make a return from the good old 3DFX days, but NVIDIA tipped up with a technology that allowed for up to double the performance of a single card in one system. Since then, SLI has been the fastest graphics system on the planet, and an entire ecosystem of motherboards, cards and even power supplies has grown up around the name. Now, ATI itself is no stranger to combining multiple graphics cards for extra horsepower: it's been creating custom 16-way graphics systems for specialist customers for a good while now. SLI rather caught it on the back foot and, since before Christmas, it's been working on a technology to rival it on the desktop. We first heard about ATI's plans back at Christmas, when they were but a rumour. It didn't take a genius to realise that, with NVIDIA making a killing with SLI, ATI was going to follow suit. It also didn't take a genius to work out that ATI were not only going to try and make up ground, they were going to attempt to recapture the performance lead by coming out with a solution that was better than SLI. The first systems, which didn't even have a name at that time, were up and running in March at the CeBit trade fair. Details were scant, and we couldn't see much more than a sample running a game, but it appeared to work. The official unveiling of CrossFire was at Computex, three months later. We were briefed on the technology, shown it in action, and promised that products would be hitting the shelf imminently. We were excited about CrossFire, because it promised far more than SLI did. Not only would it double performance, it would work in any game. You didn't need to buy two new cards, you could use an existing one. It would allow huge amounts of anti-aliasing. It seemed, and looked, awesome. I remember playing around with a machine running Splinter Cell, and thinking how great it looked. Well, it's taken fully three months for ATI to sort out technical issues with the platform and to get final cards and motherboards into the hands of the press. In that time, NVIDIA has taken the features it saw ATI announce back in June and has had a go at integrating them into its own driver, narrowing the gap between the platforms. But there are still areas with ATI has the edge - in universal compatibility, for example. This article We wrote this article using reference ATI hardware. We took a X850 XT Master card, a X850 XT Slave card and a reference ATI RD480 motherboard. The hardware came as part of an Evesham Technologies PC, which was also kitted out with an AMD Athlon FX-57 and 1GB of RAM. Because this is reference hardware and not a final, retail package, we're still calling this a 'Hands on Preview' rather than a full Review. Rest assured that we'll be bringing you retail reviews very soon, because we already have CrossFire mainboards on the way from all the big motherboard vendors, and CrossFire video cards too. We're going to be showing you the technology, previewing performance and offering our thoughts into the technology as it stands.

SuperAA There comes a point at which more frames per second becomes pointless, and you'd rather improve image quality. This is what CrossFire Super Anti-Aliasing is for. By combining the power of the cards, you can have up to 14xAA on an image, making for outrageously good image quality. Does it work? Yes. At 1280x1024 with 14xAA, you can fire up Far Cry, Half LIfe 2, or any current game and absolutely keel over at the image quality. It simply looks gorgeous - below is a screen capture of Lost Coast at 1024x768 with 14xAA. (Click to enlarge)

^ that is actually nice

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You don't need to buy two new cards to use CrossFire - just one. If you buy a X850 CrossFire Edition card, it will work with any other X850. If you buy an X800 CrossFire Edition card, it will work with any other X800 - simple as that. This makes upgrading from one card pretty easy.

^ bah ati making special cards

In terms of noise, CrossFire is loud as hell. A single X850 XT, with the dual slot cooler, is loud. Two of them together is ear-bleeding - but then, so is 6800 Ultra. We hope that the coolers on the X1800 cards are more like the noise level of the 7800 coolers, which are whisper quiet, and perfectly palletable in SLI.

^ AHAHAH :0wned:

We compared X850 CrossFire cards to 6800 Ultras. We have not compared them to 7800 GTs or GTXs. We know that next-generation cards are in a class of their own. It's more interesting to see how CrossFire scales compared to SLI from a single card set up. Rest assured that we'll bring you a full comparison with GeForce 7800 when Radeon X1800 launches.

AKA they do not want to put ATi to shame ;)

Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

We used the Lighthouse timedemo for this test. We turned on all the eye candy (Tone mapping, Parallax mapping, HDR) as well as 8x Anisotropic filtering, using patch 1.04 which supports those features on ATI cards. We tested at 1024x768. (Note there's no AA, because SC:CT doesn't support AA and HDR simultaneously).

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Doom 3

We used Timedemo 1 for this test, at 1024x768 with 4xAA and 8xAF and all details set to high

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The Bottom Line

The net result? CrossFire works, and it works pretty darned well, from our initial observations.

might I add this benchie

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ATi = :0wned:

now back to topic

Initial Conclusions

So what can we learn from all this?

The CrossFire technology On a technical level, the theory behind CrossFire is great. When Super-tiling works, it is something that NVIDIA can't match, both in terms of performance and ease of use. It's just unfortunate that, right now, driver issues appear to be preventing it from working in every situation we'd expect it to. CrossFire AA is great for image quality, although NVIDIA's SLI AA is pretty similar. The fact you can use an existing ATI card is sort of cool, although we've already reached the conclusion that going down that route is probably wasting money.

The CrossFire mainboard

If you're looking for a mainboard upgrade, retail products based around the RD480 chipset could well be awesome purchases. Our initial impressions of the reference board are that performance is fast, and we have high hopes that CrossFire boards from the likes of DFI will provide stonking performance. We have heard of issues regarding ethernet and USB performance, as well as the lack of SATA 2. We intend to address those fully as soon as we get proper retail boards coming through.

CrossFire on the current generation

Buying CrossFire for X800 or X850 is a bit pointless. No one would surely buy an X850 when, for £30 more, they can have a 7800 GT. Likewise, no one would buy an X850 when, for the sake of waiting just a few days, they can get a X1800 for similar money. Likewise, money spent on an additional, or dual X800s would be better off put in a pot and saved towards a 7800 or X1800. Upgrading to a CrossFire mainboard is great - you'll set yourself up for dual X1800 action and get a great new board to boot - just wait a little for the new cards.

CrossFire on the next generation

This clearly has a lot of potential. When ATI finally gets it's new cards out of the door, it will give SLI a real run for its money, for the first time. The technology is here now, the platform is here now - we're just waiting for the cards.

I must say it is ok but ATi still = :0wned: :D
 
Pat your an idiot (j/k) hehe;)

No Xfire is ok: but we will have to see what ATI's next gen has to offer combined with it. Its still not looking too good for ATI :(
 
name='enVias' said:
A few days after I got my 6800 Ultra lollers, CS:S didn't run too badly at 16x AA actually :D

Damn, I wish they made SLi compat. Quadro's :D I'd flash both of mine over to Quadro shizzle and r0ck it out the r00f!
 
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