[O-CuK]Marci
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Well, with the new PA Series rads finally getting sorted, figured may as well do a comparison of HE120.3 vs PA120.3 with the same fans... to do so required some monitoring tools in the form of the mCubed T-Balancer and some handiwork with silicon... thus giving me liquid in and out temps... and air in and out temps. Unit under full load with as much heat as possible, whilst keeping speeds at stock, CPU set to 1.75v. AGP VDDQ to 1.6v. 100% load inflicted.
Temps were meaured every 20mins. Surveying them, they levelled out rapidly, within an hour, and hovered around the same points for the rest of testing (controlled ambient as best possible).
Max variance in ambient temp was 1.5 deg C. This was reflected across the board.
Note, temps shown are just a quick cross-section of readings recorded, not complete end-to-end results...
HE120.3 with 3x Panaflo M1A@7v
Air<: 23.0 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 24.5 | 24.0
Air>: 26.0 | 27.0 | 26.5 | 26.0 | 26.5 | 27.5 | 27.0
Liq<: 33.5 | 34.0 | 34.0 | 34.0 | 34.0 | 34.5 | 34.5
Liq>: 33.0 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 34.0 | 33.5
CPU: 17.0 | 17.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 19.0 | 18.0
GPU: 19.0 | 19.0 | 20.0 | 19.0 | 20.0 | 20.0 | 20.0
< = In
> = Out
So, averages are being used.
I'll summise testing of the HE120.3 with Panaflo M1A (fans at 7.04v by multimeter) as follows:
Avg Air <: 23.6
Avg Air >: 26.6
Avg Air Dt: 03.0
Avg Liq <: 33.9
Avg Liq >: 33.5
Avg Liq Dt: 0.40
Next step - remove HE120.3, install PA120.3 with same fans set to same voltage by Rheostat (measured with multimeter). This gave me the following recordset...
PA120.3 with 3x Panaflo M1A@7v
Air<: 22.5 | 24.0 | 22.5 | 23.0 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 22.5 | 23.0 | 22.5 | 22.5
Air>: 27.5 | 28.0 | 27.5 | 28.0 | 28.0 | 28.5 | 28.0 | 28.5 | 28.0 | 28.0
Liq<: 30.5 | 30.5 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 30.5 | 31.0 | 30.5 | 31.0
Liq>: 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.5 | 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0
CPU: 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 14.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0
GPU: 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0
Avg Air <: 22.9
Avg Air >: 28.0
Avg Air Dt: 05.1
Avg Liq <: 30.8
Avg Liq >: 30.1
Avg Liq Dt: 00.7
Already, we see a substantial drop in CPU and GPU temps between the two rads, with the PA120.3 shaving 4 or 5 degrees off each over the old HE series.
Figured I'd go for some self-amusement next...
PA160 with 1x Panaflo M1A@7v
Well... I'm impressed...
Air<: 24.0 | 23.5 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 23.5 | 23.0 | 24.0 | 23.5
Air>: 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 32.0 | 31.5
Liq<: 37.0 | 37.5 | 37.5 | 37.0 | 37.0 | 37.5 | 38.0 | 38.0
Liq>: 35.5 | 36.5 | 36.0 | 36.0 | 35.5 | 36.0 | 36.5 | 36.5
CPU: 21.0 | 22.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0
GPU: 21.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0
Avg Air <: 23.5
Avg Air >: 31.5
Avg Air Dt: 08.0
Avg Liq <: 37.4
Avg Liq >: 36.0
Avg Liq Dt: 01.4
Only 1 or 2 degrees hotter than the HE120.3 manages on CPU & GPU temps, with 2 less fans = less noise. Always a bonus!
PA160 with 2x Panaflo M1A@7v (PushPull with dual shrouds)
Air<: 23.0 | 23.0 | 24.0 | 23.0 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5
Air>: 27.0 | 28.0 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 28.5 | 28.0 | 29.5
Liq<: 34.5 | 35.5 | 36.5 | 36.5 | 36.5 | 36.5 | 37.0 | 37.5 | 37.5 | 38.0
Liq>: 34.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.5 | 36.0 | 36.5 | 36.5
CPU: 19.0 | 20.0 | 21.0 | 20.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.5 | 21.5 | 21.5
GPU: 19.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0
Compare these figures to figures above - result? 2x fans in Push-Pull is of no major benefit over 1x fan in push.
PA120.2 with 2x Panaflo M1A@7v
Air<: 22.5 | 22.0 | 22.5 | 22.0 | 22.5 | 22.5 | 22.0
Air>: 32.0 | 31.5 | 32.0 | 32.0 | 32.0 | 32.0 | 32.0
Liq<: 33.0 | 33.0 | 33.0 | 33.0 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 33.0
Liq>: 32.5 | 32.0 | 32.5 | 32.5 | 32.5 | 32.5 | 32.5
CPU: 18.0 | 17.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 17.0
GPU: 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0
Avg Air <: 22.3
Avg Air >: 31.9
Avg Air Dt: 09.6
Avg Liq <: 33.1
Avg Liq >: 32.4
Avg Liq Dt: 00.7
2x PA160 with 1x Panaflo M1A@7v on each
AirIn <: 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 23.5 | 23.5 | 23.5
AirRad1>: 29.0 | 28.5 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0
AirRad2>: 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0
Liq <: 31.0 | 30.5 | 30.5 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0
LiqMid : 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0
Liq >: 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0
CPU : 16.0 | 16.0 | 15.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0
GPU : 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 16.0 | 15.0 | 15.0
Avg Air Into Rads <: 23.6
Avg Air Out of Rads>: 29.0
Avg Air Dt : 05.4
Avg Liq Into Rads <: 30.8
Avg Liq Out of Rads : 30.0
Avg Liq Dt : 00.8
Break it down...
120.3 radiator formats tested. Results scale down perfectly for all other formats (120.2, 120.1) from same radiator family (as originally proven in BillA's testing of the HE Series MANY years ago)
1 - Pressure Drop - flow set at 4lpm at pump, pressure drop measured after radiator. % loss shown - smaller the loss, better the pressure.. listed best to worst.
2 - Performance order (best to worst) based on final coolant temp, cooled with YateLoon 120mm fan - lower the "k" figure (difference between coolant temp and air temp), cooler the coolant, therefore better the performance...
At 600rpm:
Couple the fact that ThermoChill PA Series is FAR less restrictive to pressure than any other rad, AS WELL as the fact that it outperforms all the rest at every fan speed tested, with it's lead increasing the quieter the fan... and the results are obvious. One family of radiators out there will always beat all the rest (and I'm glad someone finally tested all those out there to allow me to actually say this with some proof to back it up!) - the lower pressure restriction alone will mean better performance out of EVERY block in your system, as you'll have better pressure rates thru-out the entire setup (crucial for impingement blocks etc)
Note, these results are from independant testing by HardwareLuxx Magazine in Germany, and were published in May 2006 in their magazine in a head to head shootout of the top 10 Triple-120mm radiators available today. The original article in German is available to download from http://www.thermochill.com/pa1203.php, and since it's publication, we've seen ThermoChill sales to the German market soar, to the point that big name companies over there who currently rely on the chinese-clone rads as their main rad (ie: The XSPC rad) are beginning to switch over to using ThermoChill products instead...
These results also highlight the fact that singlepass rads on the market currently, which are all a dualpass with tanks knocked off and singlepass tanks slapped on, perform worse than their dualpass counterparts, and offer no benefits when it comes to flow restriction (the entire black ice range, whether dualpass or singlepass, still poses a 17% restriction). Other than the ThermoChill PA160 which was designed from the ground up as Singlepass...
So, if you're using silent low airflow fans, depending on your current rad, you could be seeing coolant temps upto 7 degrees cooler from a ThermoChill rad over another brand. The higher the airflow, the smaller the difference (eg: 2.4 degrees at 1200rpm rather than 7 degrees at 600rpm)... but in this day and age where everyone wants as quiet as possible... the PA series is the best choice.
ADDENDUM - OCTOBER 2006 - Further independant comparative results vs other rads - Testing Performed by Radical_53 - Germany
ThermoChill PA120.2 vs Swiftech MCR320
PA120.2 fitted with shroud and 2x YateLoon D12-SL fans, Swiftech MCR320 fitted with 3x of the same...
As you can see from the above figures, the PA120.2 with shroud manages to effectively match the Swiftech MCR320, with less noise due to fewer fans in play...
ADDENDUM - JANUARY 2007 - Bill Adam's Results from Testing of the PA Series
See http://www.thermochill.com/PATesting/
Temps were meaured every 20mins. Surveying them, they levelled out rapidly, within an hour, and hovered around the same points for the rest of testing (controlled ambient as best possible).
Max variance in ambient temp was 1.5 deg C. This was reflected across the board.
Note, temps shown are just a quick cross-section of readings recorded, not complete end-to-end results...
HE120.3 with 3x Panaflo M1A@7v
Air<: 23.0 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 24.5 | 24.0
Air>: 26.0 | 27.0 | 26.5 | 26.0 | 26.5 | 27.5 | 27.0
Liq<: 33.5 | 34.0 | 34.0 | 34.0 | 34.0 | 34.5 | 34.5
Liq>: 33.0 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 34.0 | 33.5
CPU: 17.0 | 17.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 19.0 | 18.0
GPU: 19.0 | 19.0 | 20.0 | 19.0 | 20.0 | 20.0 | 20.0
< = In
> = Out
So, averages are being used.
I'll summise testing of the HE120.3 with Panaflo M1A (fans at 7.04v by multimeter) as follows:
Avg Air <: 23.6
Avg Air >: 26.6
Avg Air Dt: 03.0
Avg Liq <: 33.9
Avg Liq >: 33.5
Avg Liq Dt: 0.40
Next step - remove HE120.3, install PA120.3 with same fans set to same voltage by Rheostat (measured with multimeter). This gave me the following recordset...
PA120.3 with 3x Panaflo M1A@7v
Air<: 22.5 | 24.0 | 22.5 | 23.0 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 22.5 | 23.0 | 22.5 | 22.5
Air>: 27.5 | 28.0 | 27.5 | 28.0 | 28.0 | 28.5 | 28.0 | 28.5 | 28.0 | 28.0
Liq<: 30.5 | 30.5 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 30.5 | 31.0 | 30.5 | 31.0
Liq>: 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.5 | 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0
CPU: 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 14.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0
GPU: 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0
Avg Air <: 22.9
Avg Air >: 28.0
Avg Air Dt: 05.1
Avg Liq <: 30.8
Avg Liq >: 30.1
Avg Liq Dt: 00.7
Already, we see a substantial drop in CPU and GPU temps between the two rads, with the PA120.3 shaving 4 or 5 degrees off each over the old HE series.
Figured I'd go for some self-amusement next...
PA160 with 1x Panaflo M1A@7v
Well... I'm impressed...
Air<: 24.0 | 23.5 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 23.5 | 23.0 | 24.0 | 23.5
Air>: 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 31.5 | 32.0 | 31.5
Liq<: 37.0 | 37.5 | 37.5 | 37.0 | 37.0 | 37.5 | 38.0 | 38.0
Liq>: 35.5 | 36.5 | 36.0 | 36.0 | 35.5 | 36.0 | 36.5 | 36.5
CPU: 21.0 | 22.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0
GPU: 21.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0
Avg Air <: 23.5
Avg Air >: 31.5
Avg Air Dt: 08.0
Avg Liq <: 37.4
Avg Liq >: 36.0
Avg Liq Dt: 01.4
Only 1 or 2 degrees hotter than the HE120.3 manages on CPU & GPU temps, with 2 less fans = less noise. Always a bonus!
PA160 with 2x Panaflo M1A@7v (PushPull with dual shrouds)
Air<: 23.0 | 23.0 | 24.0 | 23.0 | 23.0 | 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5
Air>: 27.0 | 28.0 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 27.5 | 28.5 | 28.0 | 29.5
Liq<: 34.5 | 35.5 | 36.5 | 36.5 | 36.5 | 36.5 | 37.0 | 37.5 | 37.5 | 38.0
Liq>: 34.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 35.5 | 36.0 | 36.5 | 36.5
CPU: 19.0 | 20.0 | 21.0 | 20.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.5 | 21.5 | 21.5
GPU: 19.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 21.0 | 22.0 | 22.0 | 22.0
Compare these figures to figures above - result? 2x fans in Push-Pull is of no major benefit over 1x fan in push.
PA120.2 with 2x Panaflo M1A@7v
Air<: 22.5 | 22.0 | 22.5 | 22.0 | 22.5 | 22.5 | 22.0
Air>: 32.0 | 31.5 | 32.0 | 32.0 | 32.0 | 32.0 | 32.0
Liq<: 33.0 | 33.0 | 33.0 | 33.0 | 33.5 | 33.5 | 33.0
Liq>: 32.5 | 32.0 | 32.5 | 32.5 | 32.5 | 32.5 | 32.5
CPU: 18.0 | 17.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 17.0
GPU: 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0 | 18.0
Avg Air <: 22.3
Avg Air >: 31.9
Avg Air Dt: 09.6
Avg Liq <: 33.1
Avg Liq >: 32.4
Avg Liq Dt: 00.7
2x PA160 with 1x Panaflo M1A@7v on each
AirIn <: 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 24.0 | 23.5 | 23.5 | 23.5 | 23.5
AirRad1>: 29.0 | 28.5 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0
AirRad2>: 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0 | 29.0
Liq <: 31.0 | 30.5 | 30.5 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0 | 31.0
LiqMid : 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0
Liq >: 30.5 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0 | 30.0
CPU : 16.0 | 16.0 | 15.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0 | 16.0
GPU : 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 16.0 | 15.0 | 15.0
Avg Air Into Rads <: 23.6
Avg Air Out of Rads>: 29.0
Avg Air Dt : 05.4
Avg Liq Into Rads <: 30.8
Avg Liq Out of Rads : 30.0
Avg Liq Dt : 00.8
Break it down...
- PA160 with 1x Panaflo M1A @ 7v: CPU - 21 GPU - 22
- HE120.3 with 3x ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ : CPU - 18 GPU - 19
- PA120.2 with 2x ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ : CPU - 17.7 GPU - 18
- 2x PA160 with 1x ^^ on each ^ : CPU - 15.8 GPU - 15.1
- PA120.3 with 3x ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ : CPU - 15 GPU - 15
120.3 radiator formats tested. Results scale down perfectly for all other formats (120.2, 120.1) from same radiator family (as originally proven in BillA's testing of the HE Series MANY years ago)
1 - Pressure Drop - flow set at 4lpm at pump, pressure drop measured after radiator. % loss shown - smaller the loss, better the pressure.. listed best to worst.
- ThermoChill PA120.3 - 6%
- Watercool HTFX3-x - 14%
- HWLabs BlackIce GT360 - 17%
- HWLabs BlackIce GT360 XFlow - 17%
- HWLabs BlackIce Xtreme - 17%
- HWLabs BlackIce Xtreme XFlow - 17%
- Watercool HTSF - 17%
- Cooltek MCR320 - 18%
- NexXxos Xtreme - 23%
- NexXxos Pro - 27%
2 - Performance order (best to worst) based on final coolant temp, cooled with YateLoon 120mm fan - lower the "k" figure (difference between coolant temp and air temp), cooler the coolant, therefore better the performance...
At 600rpm:
- Thermochill PA120.3 - 7k
- Watercool HTSF - 8k
- Watercool HTSF3-x - 8.4k
- Cooltek Maxistream / Swiftech MCR - 8.4k
- Black Ice GT - 9.2k
- Black Ice Extreme - 11k
- Alphacool NexXxos Pro - 11.2k
- Black Ice GT X-Flow - 12.1k
- Black Ice Extreme X-Flow - 12.3k
- Alphacool NexXxos Extreme - 14k
- ThermoChill - 6.2k
- Cooltek - 6.9k
- BIGT - 7.2k
- WC HTSF - 7.3k
- BIGT-XFlow - 7.3k
- WC HTSF3-x - 7.4k
- NexXxos Pro - 7.5k
- BIX - 8.5k
- NexXxos Extreme - 8.5k
- BIX-XFlow - 9.5k
- ThermoChill - 4.2k
- Cooltek - 5.6k
- BIGT - 5.7k
- BIGT-XFlow - 5.9k
- BIX - 5.9k
- NexXxos Pro - 6.1k
- NexXxos Extreme - 6.1k
- HTF3-x - 6.3k
- HTSF - 6.3k
- BIX-XFlow - 6.6k
Couple the fact that ThermoChill PA Series is FAR less restrictive to pressure than any other rad, AS WELL as the fact that it outperforms all the rest at every fan speed tested, with it's lead increasing the quieter the fan... and the results are obvious. One family of radiators out there will always beat all the rest (and I'm glad someone finally tested all those out there to allow me to actually say this with some proof to back it up!) - the lower pressure restriction alone will mean better performance out of EVERY block in your system, as you'll have better pressure rates thru-out the entire setup (crucial for impingement blocks etc)
Note, these results are from independant testing by HardwareLuxx Magazine in Germany, and were published in May 2006 in their magazine in a head to head shootout of the top 10 Triple-120mm radiators available today. The original article in German is available to download from http://www.thermochill.com/pa1203.php, and since it's publication, we've seen ThermoChill sales to the German market soar, to the point that big name companies over there who currently rely on the chinese-clone rads as their main rad (ie: The XSPC rad) are beginning to switch over to using ThermoChill products instead...
These results also highlight the fact that singlepass rads on the market currently, which are all a dualpass with tanks knocked off and singlepass tanks slapped on, perform worse than their dualpass counterparts, and offer no benefits when it comes to flow restriction (the entire black ice range, whether dualpass or singlepass, still poses a 17% restriction). Other than the ThermoChill PA160 which was designed from the ground up as Singlepass...
So, if you're using silent low airflow fans, depending on your current rad, you could be seeing coolant temps upto 7 degrees cooler from a ThermoChill rad over another brand. The higher the airflow, the smaller the difference (eg: 2.4 degrees at 1200rpm rather than 7 degrees at 600rpm)... but in this day and age where everyone wants as quiet as possible... the PA series is the best choice.
ADDENDUM - OCTOBER 2006 - Further independant comparative results vs other rads - Testing Performed by Radical_53 - Germany
ThermoChill PA120.2 vs Swiftech MCR320
PA120.2 fitted with shroud and 2x YateLoon D12-SL fans, Swiftech MCR320 fitted with 3x of the same...
As you can see from the above figures, the PA120.2 with shroud manages to effectively match the Swiftech MCR320, with less noise due to fewer fans in play...
ADDENDUM - JANUARY 2007 - Bill Adam's Results from Testing of the PA Series
See http://www.thermochill.com/PATesting/