AMD's Zen architecture is expected to last four years

[WYP]

AMD's Zen architecture is expected to last four years, with plans to offer major architectural improvements with every generation, saying that "Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock".



Read more on AMD's future plans for the Zen architecture.

 

[AlienALX]

saying that "Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock".

lmao more shots fired I have faith in Zen though

 

[RobM]

release the damn things already

 

[MadShadow]

That's good news. Now you can buy a new Cpu and not expect it to be replaced within 12 months

 

[ridercho]

Soon I will look up at Vega, shining bright in the night sky and I will be in touch with my inner Zen.

 

[AlienALX]

I think the most imporant part of all will be the mobos. If I know AMD they won't keep switching sockets like Intel did from Sandy - Kaby they will just leave it the same.

 

[eazyreis]

I think the most imporant part of all will be the mobos. If I know AMD they won't keep switching sockets like Intel did from Sandy - Kaby they will just leave it the same.

So if that´s gonna be the case then we´re gonna be with Zen for four years and the same socket, can AMD keep against Intel like that?

 

[RobM]

Personally if they can keep the same socket over 4 years its going to make upgrading so much easier with better choice for end users upgrade cpu, upgrade mobo or both at the same time. This can only be a good thing for many of us on tight budgets.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Wonder how many CPUs they'll release in that 4 year span

 

[RobM]

Wonder how many CPUs they'll release in that 4 year span

Enough to stay ahead of Intel I hope

 

[eazyreis]

Enough to stay ahead of Intel I hope

I dont care that much of who stays on top just that us the consumer keeps getting the best prices.

And on the point that staying with the same socket for 4 years it will be easy to upgrade, i can see that but as things advance not sure if they wont try to keep up with Intel, because Intel is going to keep on doing what they do, new sockets after sockets.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

AMD's confidence in the AM4 platform suggests we won't see any major architectural changes for at least four years, right? Isn't Vega 20 rumoured to be using PCI-e 4.0?

 

[eazyreis]

AMD's confidence in the AM4 platform suggests we won't see any major architectural changes for at least four years, right? Isn't Vega 20 rumoured to be using PCI-e 4.0?

I´ve also read an article that says VEGA20 it´s coming with 32gb HBM2, 7nm , PCIe 4.0.

But the AM4 wont come with PCIe 4.0 it´s gonna be 3.0 right?

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I´ve also read an article that says VEGA20 it´s coming with 32gb HBM2, 7nm , PCIe 4.0.

But the AM4 wont come with PCIe 4.0 it´s gonna be 3.0 right?

Yeah, that's what confuses me. AMD are banking on RyZen and the AM4 platform being valid for four years. That doesn't quite line up with their GPU roadmap. And of course, AM4 will also support Nvidia GPU's. If Nvidia requires PCI-e Gen 4 to run optimally, why not revamp AM4 to AM4+ after 2-3 years instead?

 

[eazyreis]

Yeah, that's what confuses me. AMD are banking on RyZen and the AM4 platform being valid for four years. That doesn't quite line up with their GPU roadmap. And of course, AM4 will also support Nvidia GPU's. If Nvidia requires PCI-e Gen 4 to run optimally, why not revamp AM4 to AM4+ after 2-3 years instead?

The thing is, AMD says that the plan for AM4 is for 4years then the new GPU´s are coming with a feature that doesn´t work right from the start on their own motherboards but everyone wants to try RyZen so of they go tho buy them, then after 2/3 years as you stated, the costumers have to buy another motherboard to give use to PCIe 4.0, that´s almost like Intel releasing new sockets.
They want to release something to counter Intel that i think they are missing some points.

 

[Dark NighT]

Personally i wouldn't worry about pci-e 4.0 all that much, there's not much that can top the pci-e 3 bandwidth at the moment, apart from the odd dual gpu cards that have been around, by the time pci-e 4.0 gets saturated to its full potential, we will be 4 years later at the very least.

 

[NeverBackDown]

You guys do realize they are still releasing new CPUs right? They will have PCI 4.0 lanes on chip.

Personally i wouldn't worry about pci-e 4.0 all that much, there's not much that can top the pci-e 3 bandwidth at the moment, apart from the odd dual gpu cards that have been around, by the time pci-e 4.0 gets saturated to its full potential, we will be 4 years later at the very least.

It's not really meant for GPUs tbh. It's more for Ethernet/fiber and storage. 16GT/s concurrently both ways(32GT/s total) is more along the speeds needed for Ethernet 40GB/s(not for home use, HPC/etc)and future NVMe devices planned for 30GBs speeds. This is the only standard interface in the world capable and economically(also backwards compatible) viable as a solution.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

You guys do realize they are still releasing new CPUs right? They will have PCI 4.0 lanes on chip.

I didn't know that was possible.

 

[NeverBackDown]

We have it now for Intel chips with PCI 3.0?

Also have to remember, this is no regular CPU. This is more akin to a SoC but just happens to be a very very high-performance part. AMD are amongst if not the best at high-performance SoC designs, so for them it is very smart to make Zen a Soc. Not only does this allow great flexibility for future refinements, it allows cheaper refinements as well all while still keeping the same socket. It also makes sense to design it this way because everything is moving towards having one chip do it all, like what Qualcomm can do for mobile(chip/lte chip/features like quickcharge), which is a SoC, so again, everything on one die makes the most sense.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

We have it now for Intel chips with PCI 3.0?

Also have to remember, this is no regular CPU. This is more akin to a SoC but just happens to be a very very high-performance part. AMD are amongst if not the best at high-performance SoC designs, so for them it is very smart to make Zen a Soc. Not only does this allow great flexibility for future refinements, it allows cheaper refinements as well all while still keeping the same socket. It also makes sense to design it this way because everything is moving towards having one chip do it all, like what Qualcomm can do for mobile(chip/lte chip/features like quickcharge), which is a SoC, so again, everything on one die makes the most sense.

Thanks for explaining. Makes sense.