WYP
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Should we expect big things from next-generation RDNA?
Read more about AMD's rumoured "Nvidia Killer".
Read more about AMD's rumoured "Nvidia Killer".
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AMD's reportedly working on a GPU they're calling "Nvidia Killer"
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Dicehunter
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I highly doubt it, We hear this every year and every year a good high end competitor from AMD is not delivered, AMD will continue to compete in the £$400 category, Nothing more.
Although I'd like to be proven wrong.
Although I'd like to be proven wrong.
If the PS5 and Xbox next rumours and supposed devkit leaks are to be believed AMD will have 13-15 Tflop Navi GPU chip(lets?) ready for "holidays" 2020, which is a big step up from the 40CU Navi1's <9Tflops if true, but not too far off what you'd expect if they made 64CU Navi models with a few small optimisations. 5700XT + 40% puts it firmly beyond 2080Ti territory at least.
demonking
New member
Would love to see it and the following price war as all 3 try to take the market lead.
All 3 will have to work hard, Nvidia might have historically had the market share but this is only because there was no other options at the top end. Nvidia have upset a lot of their fans with ludicrous prices, blatant mis selling (970 anyone) and there attempts at monopolising the sector. Intel will be new to this sector and will want to make an impression and AMD have long been trying, they would have a bit of egg on their face if they start to lose to Intel when they have just caught up in the CPU market.
Hopefully, we see a much more competitive market next year, I just hope Nvidia don't force Nvidia exclusive tech onto too many developers, though I have a feeling this will be the way Nvidia weather the storm.
My feeling is that we are starting to get to the end of the consumer GPU market and Cloud gaming will take the lion share, again pushing prices up
All 3 will have to work hard, Nvidia might have historically had the market share but this is only because there was no other options at the top end. Nvidia have upset a lot of their fans with ludicrous prices, blatant mis selling (970 anyone) and there attempts at monopolising the sector. Intel will be new to this sector and will want to make an impression and AMD have long been trying, they would have a bit of egg on their face if they start to lose to Intel when they have just caught up in the CPU market.
Hopefully, we see a much more competitive market next year, I just hope Nvidia don't force Nvidia exclusive tech onto too many developers, though I have a feeling this will be the way Nvidia weather the storm.
My feeling is that we are starting to get to the end of the consumer GPU market and Cloud gaming will take the lion share, again pushing prices up
I almost want to echo Dice's exact sentiment, but my experience with a Radeon VII gives me some hope this could be true. That card, like most AMD cards, sucks a little in stock form, because heater. Even the triple-fan cooler REPUTED to be a quality thing at the time, was crap. BUT once you put a water block on it, and got the temps under control, that card got serious in a hurry. The potential is there, in their architectures. Now if only they would learn something about proper heat dissipation.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
This !
The Radeon 7's stock cooler was atrocious, The actual coldplate is concave so the majority of the GPU die doesn't even make contact with the cooler itself, For AMD's sake I hope they spend the extra cash with the next card and get someone competent to manufacture the cooler.
I will believe it when I see it, until then I will continue to hope they will soon be a competitor at the high end again one day, but I honestly think the only competition nVidia are going to get in the high end will be from Intel.
Yes the 5700xt and Radeon 7 are decent but they don't come close iirc to the 2080Ti unless it's under specific circumstances, if I am wrong then please correct me.
I saw a video on Youtube today comparing the performance between a 1080Ti and 2080Ti, and yeah the 2080Ti is faster, and since I now have a 1440p 165hz monitor I could do with the extra horsepower but frankly, I am not paying the price for it.
I just want someone to come out with a card that is 2080Ti level performance for a realistic price.
Yes the 5700xt and Radeon 7 are decent but they don't come close iirc to the 2080Ti unless it's under specific circumstances, if I am wrong then please correct me.
I saw a video on Youtube today comparing the performance between a 1080Ti and 2080Ti, and yeah the 2080Ti is faster, and since I now have a 1440p 165hz monitor I could do with the extra horsepower but frankly, I am not paying the price for it.
I just want someone to come out with a card that is 2080Ti level performance for a realistic price.
Dawelio
Active member
5800 and 5900? Have I missed something here, only thought that the 5700 would be new from AMD?... When will the 58- and 5900 be released?.
RobM
Active member
No idea when, I am speculating that these are the replacements for Polaris, I am also guessing there will be 5600 as well.
Vega was never a gaming card and the Vega 7 was released because they had to have something out and that was all they had at the time. It makes no sense (business or logical) to only release 5700/XT cards and Lisa has said they will be competing across the stack.
Yeah there were model listings, I think ECC, for those numbers. Presumably they're at least working on a 64CU Navi die as they've made one every generation. If they can keep the same clocks, then that's 5700XT+60%. The 2080ti is about 35% faster than 5700xt so even with big clock decreases, 64cu Navi should trounce NVidias current gen top end, but I assume it's meant to compete more with NVidias next gen top end.
Basically, they already have that performance waiting for them on a plate once they can make the die big enough, RDNA on 7nm is far more efficient than Turing in terms of perf/die area(limiting factor to price/perf).
Basically, they already have that performance waiting for them on a plate once they can make the die big enough, RDNA on 7nm is far more efficient than Turing in terms of perf/die area(limiting factor to price/perf).
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AlienALX
Well-known member
This would be awesome if Nvidia were not sitting on so much. IE - what they've held onto because Vega was so poor. So if AMD catch up Nvidia will just move onto their next.
Still, it makes me more hopeful for AMD cards truly better than my Titan XP and the price should be lower.
Nvidia can keep RT and DLSS I think I've seen about enough.
Still, it makes me more hopeful for AMD cards truly better than my Titan XP and the price should be lower.
Nvidia can keep RT and DLSS I think I've seen about enough.
I think it's still up in the air whether the first big Navi parts will be RDNA1 or RDNA2(Which seems to include RT). Depends how quickly they want it out I guess, if it's next year though personally I'd assume it'd be gen2 with RT, unless that's not ready till the 2nd half of 2020, though even if they pushed out a quick ~52CU part they could at least get within the 2080Ti's ballpark.
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AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I think it's possible the next big Navi chip will be powerful and very good, but I don't think it'll kill Nvidia. It'll eat a few bob away from them, but ultimately I think it'll fall short of making Nvidia do anything other than continue to prove themselves and make a good architecture. In theory, all they have to do is not repeat Turing and they'll have a successful architecture. Samsung's 7nm should help bring that.
RobM
Active member
Big Navi will trounce 2080 Ti.
Lets not forget that 5700 is the first iteration of a new architecture, smaller node, cheaper to make, and its running GCN instructions so far from being fully optimised in its current state.
If 5700 XT is capable of trading blows with its 2070 super counterpart, just think what improvements simply getting off GCN instructions and onto optimised ones.
Lets not forget that 5700 is the first iteration of a new architecture, smaller node, cheaper to make, and its running GCN instructions so far from being fully optimised in its current state.
If 5700 XT is capable of trading blows with its 2070 super counterpart, just think what improvements simply getting off GCN instructions and onto optimised ones.
