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AMD's Radeon RDNA 3 Launch Schedule, Performance, and Specs Leak
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Won't matter if the software side doesn't catch up to Nvidia's.
KingNosser
Well-known member
Maybe in terms of the fluff Nvidia use but in terms of drivers and UI software AMD are way ahead, still like they say if it's not broken don't fix it hense why nvidia is using such an old control panel, also lets face it i doubt anyone likes geforce experience AMD combined the two things into one and it works far better.
I get it thou dlss dlss dlss yawn.
I get it thou dlss dlss dlss yawn.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
You can have your opinion it however doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's what most people want and AMD don't deliver.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I like AMD's hardware but the problem is they seem to hire "totally awesome chilled dudes and dudettes" straight from college who have lofty aspirations of "totally cool open ideals maaannn" for their driver team where as Nvidia seem to hire people who have engineering degrees, Are software and coding wizards and just want to release the most stable product possible.
I ran a 6900XT briefly and the drivers were crap compared to Nvidia's, If they sorted that aspect out AMD would give Nvidia a serious run for their money.
I ran a 6900XT briefly and the drivers were crap compared to Nvidia's, If they sorted that aspect out AMD would give Nvidia a serious run for their money.
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KingNosser
Well-known member
Well both sides have had their fair share of issues on drivers, but the UI and app is way better they just need to keep building on that, personally had zero issue with anything and no bugs in games, so while maybe i'm lucky i've not ran into issues.
Wasn't so many years ago that nvidia released a driver that killed cards, imho all nvidia care about is being top and raising prices each gen locking out features and generally trying to find a way to keep doing that.
I'll not even be suprised if when they release the 4000 series that some form of dlss will not work on the older generations. it's just how they do things.
I had issues in the past with AMD software but in the last 15 months since having my card i've not had a single issue, so yep i have my opinion.
Intel have got even less chance than AMD since not really many of you want to switch gpu brand you just want cheaper cards and your not get them any time soon.
It's like all things someones system with the same hardware will be unstable where as someone else wont have an issue, it can be many things.
still least you can enjoy 16pin 1000watt psu's tbh i don't see the market changing much at all anytime soon.
Wasn't so many years ago that nvidia released a driver that killed cards, imho all nvidia care about is being top and raising prices each gen locking out features and generally trying to find a way to keep doing that.
I'll not even be suprised if when they release the 4000 series that some form of dlss will not work on the older generations. it's just how they do things.
I had issues in the past with AMD software but in the last 15 months since having my card i've not had a single issue, so yep i have my opinion.
Intel have got even less chance than AMD since not really many of you want to switch gpu brand you just want cheaper cards and your not get them any time soon.
It's like all things someones system with the same hardware will be unstable where as someone else wont have an issue, it can be many things.
still least you can enjoy 16pin 1000watt psu's tbh i don't see the market changing much at all anytime soon.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
If Intel can come in with good performance, Stable drives and stay away from the silly high power draw then I'll jump on the blue wagon.
KingNosser
Well-known member
tbh i feel Intel will have midrange when they launch soon and won't be ready for the next gen until the same time next year, they are a little behind but they have the software engineers and fabs to make headway they are just not there atm.
Idk what numbers they will ship out but i expect they have a solid roadmap in house.
They can dominate in time if they get the progress they need, but i'll admit i don't like raja he didnt exactly do well at amd and since left it's like amd done a uturn and got vastly better.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Raja continually had funding and engineers siphoned by the CPU department when they were developing Ryzen, It's actually a wonder he was able to get any product out the door.
KingNosser
Well-known member
It's just his ego really but admittedly he had it harder at amd he's had the red carpet laid for him at Intel, but time will tell tbh.
Intel have everything you need to make something work, but if it fails your soon be replaced, but they have a ton of contractors more so than Intel full time staff.
Software wise Intel are more able than nvidia they do tons of stuff, but it's still going to be a while before they catch up, laptops is where they are wanting to go asap.
That is nvidias biggest issue atm the cards need too much power for laptops and they rely on amd for chips for there servers, they needed arm and still do as they want to make there own cpu's for the servers but they were big in laptops and that is a harder thing for them atm and a cut in profit, but one they can live without.
Nvidia APU I can see in the future they will need it really to ever be fully viable in laptops going forward.
Intel have everything you need to make something work, but if it fails your soon be replaced, but they have a ton of contractors more so than Intel full time staff.
Software wise Intel are more able than nvidia they do tons of stuff, but it's still going to be a while before they catch up, laptops is where they are wanting to go asap.
That is nvidias biggest issue atm the cards need too much power for laptops and they rely on amd for chips for there servers, they needed arm and still do as they want to make there own cpu's for the servers but they were big in laptops and that is a harder thing for them atm and a cut in profit, but one they can live without.
Nvidia APU I can see in the future they will need it really to ever be fully viable in laptops going forward.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Raja laid the path for RDNA 1 and more than likely 2. They work years in advance. He did quite a good job imo with the limited funding available. RDNA3 is where he would have left off and is why in his departure he talked about AMD needs to continue on their path because it will be a huge success. That was infinity fabric technology he was talking about. It was made for CPUs first but he knew it would come to GPUs and prepared AMD to be capable of adapting RDNA for it.
He's done more than you'd think.
That said they need to do more. Always playing catch up to Nvidia they aren't innovating enough for people to mass adopt their products.
He's done more than you'd think.
That said they need to do more. Always playing catch up to Nvidia they aren't innovating enough for people to mass adopt their products.
KingNosser
Well-known member
I guess that is true thou i'd give keller more credit myself.
AMD were in a tough spot for a long time and competing with nvidia isn't the only goal i feel, they had heavy debts and were running on empty, nvidia have a larger team and also a lot more funding but that is going to be a role reversal now i feel least in the short term. I just don't see how nvidia can compete with multi chip rdna3 if amd do as well as they have since rdna1, they are vastly more power efficient much higher frequencys already done the ground work on the fabric for multi chip.
Mass adoption is a ways off but it's not just dlss and nvec ect it's the mindset people flock to what they feel comfy with i.e trusted brand, amd made plenty of mistakes with vega ect so it's expected, but times are changing and imho it's not just amd that need to continue it's also nvidia needing to do so as well.
If and i'll admit it's an if amd get rdna3 working fully as well as rdna2 does atm they are really going to be a much larger performance, but like all tech doesnt always go right first time. Thing is while some will speak of there reasons for nvidia it's really exagerated overall but it's not to say it's not without good reason, also if people have a bad experience in a short time frame it can deter people before they should switch back, you can have two exact systems react differently to each other the tech we use is often taken for granted but it's very complex i think people often forget that.
like i say i've had no issues everything has been plain sailing for me and i really expected to have a lot of issues going by past but once i upgrade to the 5800x and get the bios i'll start seeing actual realistic performance as i know my 1700 at 4ghz is simply not cut out for my gpu, gpu asks for work the cpu can't keep up and provide, so i'm expecting far better results and at the same time i could start seeing negatives as well idk till i test it out. sometime soon the 1206c and 1207 bios's are released then i'll know for certain.
I'm not saying there isn't more work to be done by amd just that for me they have come a long long way lately, RSR is really good upscaling on any game you want built into the driver so simple to setup and run you literally turn it on set res and it works.
See now many say nvidia drivers are really good and yep they are decent, but the one thing i found when using amd's newer style is not only is everything in one app all the oc of gpu and cpu stat tracking everything amd basically. It's when i had an nvidia card i was always having to mess around with things for different games and yep i can do that in amd but the key thing is i'm never having to go into the app to mess around with anything i've no need too it's more set and forget and i really like that, can update drivers from in the app as well so i just check it from time to time no need to play with anything at all on the daily.
So like i say they have come along way so long as they keep doing what they are at the speed they are then it's going to get a lot lot better. RSR is the newest thing they done FSR2.0 coming but RSR works so well in everything without devs needing too do any work at all.
Hoping postman turns up early not able to sleep and don't want to miss the man if i can't wake up, always the way for me concerned about one thing or another so end up not being able to relax and get a nap in when i need to be awake early
AMD were in a tough spot for a long time and competing with nvidia isn't the only goal i feel, they had heavy debts and were running on empty, nvidia have a larger team and also a lot more funding but that is going to be a role reversal now i feel least in the short term. I just don't see how nvidia can compete with multi chip rdna3 if amd do as well as they have since rdna1, they are vastly more power efficient much higher frequencys already done the ground work on the fabric for multi chip.
Mass adoption is a ways off but it's not just dlss and nvec ect it's the mindset people flock to what they feel comfy with i.e trusted brand, amd made plenty of mistakes with vega ect so it's expected, but times are changing and imho it's not just amd that need to continue it's also nvidia needing to do so as well.
If and i'll admit it's an if amd get rdna3 working fully as well as rdna2 does atm they are really going to be a much larger performance, but like all tech doesnt always go right first time. Thing is while some will speak of there reasons for nvidia it's really exagerated overall but it's not to say it's not without good reason, also if people have a bad experience in a short time frame it can deter people before they should switch back, you can have two exact systems react differently to each other the tech we use is often taken for granted but it's very complex i think people often forget that.
like i say i've had no issues everything has been plain sailing for me and i really expected to have a lot of issues going by past but once i upgrade to the 5800x and get the bios i'll start seeing actual realistic performance as i know my 1700 at 4ghz is simply not cut out for my gpu, gpu asks for work the cpu can't keep up and provide, so i'm expecting far better results and at the same time i could start seeing negatives as well idk till i test it out. sometime soon the 1206c and 1207 bios's are released then i'll know for certain.
I'm not saying there isn't more work to be done by amd just that for me they have come a long long way lately, RSR is really good upscaling on any game you want built into the driver so simple to setup and run you literally turn it on set res and it works.
See now many say nvidia drivers are really good and yep they are decent, but the one thing i found when using amd's newer style is not only is everything in one app all the oc of gpu and cpu stat tracking everything amd basically. It's when i had an nvidia card i was always having to mess around with things for different games and yep i can do that in amd but the key thing is i'm never having to go into the app to mess around with anything i've no need too it's more set and forget and i really like that, can update drivers from in the app as well so i just check it from time to time no need to play with anything at all on the daily.
So like i say they have come along way so long as they keep doing what they are at the speed they are then it's going to get a lot lot better. RSR is the newest thing they done FSR2.0 coming but RSR works so well in everything without devs needing too do any work at all.
Hoping postman turns up early not able to sleep and don't want to miss the man if i can't wake up, always the way for me concerned about one thing or another so end up not being able to relax and get a nap in when i need to be awake early
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nice joke.
as a non-gamer i can tell you that AMD driver are way more prone to issues than nvidias.
i would love that it would be different. i am not a fan of nvidia as a company.
there is a reason you barely find radeons in systems used for graphic intense work.
at least not around here and in my experience. firepro.. ok but not radeons.
some software i use has not a single radeon card in the recommended list.
and that has nothing to do with nvidia sponsoring.
with openCL the cuda support is not that important anymore.
but cuda still has some benefits in some software.
i have bought radeons in the past and sold them pretty quick because they have way more issues than nvidia cards in professional software.
sure some could argue that boths companys have a professional line of graphic cards.
but i can use a GTX/RTX instead of a quadro with next to no issues.
a radeon on the other side.....
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KingNosser
Well-known member
Horses for courses but I wasn't reffering to production workloads just gaming.
But as you also said you brought them in the past not the current gen.
Saying that the little photoshop and davinci resolve i have no issues, but there is always software optimisations which are focused on by all companys at the larger market so not sure how thats amd's fault as much as it is the developers of the software.
like i said i was talking about gaming, it's what it's designed for.
But as you also said you brought them in the past not the current gen.
Saying that the little photoshop and davinci resolve i have no issues, but there is always software optimisations which are focused on by all companys at the larger market so not sure how thats amd's fault as much as it is the developers of the software.
like i said i was talking about gaming, it's what it's designed for.
AlienALX
Well-known member
It's not really horses for courses. That implies different horses over different courses. In gaming the course is the same.
It's crushingly simple. AMD = a mere ant in the GPU world with far less money coming in and far less money to put into drivers.
Nvidia = world leader, world leading drivers. And it has *always* been that way. There were a couple of times where AMD clearly did invest into making better drivers but that time passed once the heat was off.
How can you release a GPU that had a black screen bug for almost a year and not even know how to fix it, before realising there was an issue with the design and core itself and then patching it?
Dude not being funny but if I had to put up with that for a day I would be majorly peed off. A year? lmfao yeah right. I had the same bug on my Vega 64 only red or pink screen. It was never fixed. Not during the two years I had it.
This is why I find it insulting that AMD are now charging what Nvidia do. What for? less features and lesser drivers.
It's drivers that make or break an experience on any computer. Hence why Intel are delaying their GPU launch. However, you can expect (not hope against, as that will get you nowhere) awful drivers for quite a while. If the price reflects that? then fair enough.
I would bet that Nvidia spend more on driver development than RTG even makes AMD.
KingNosser
Well-known member
I'm only speaking based on what i've experienced the last 15 months and i mean zero issues.
like we have both said both sides have had issues, a glaring one for me since owning this card is all the bat crazy cyberpunk 2077 bugs when i never experienced any such thing at all i played all the way through until the last mission to be played and i didn't have no crazy flying physx going on when i was playing it.
So yep i don't feel amd drivers are bad maybe for some on intel chips idk or gigabyte boards asus whomever but for me on my system it's been 100% fine.
Last time i remember from the start of rdna amd clearly stated that it was for gaming cdna was going to be pro cards i call that two different horses for different tasks, same as nvidia making mining cards ect.
like we have both said both sides have had issues, a glaring one for me since owning this card is all the bat crazy cyberpunk 2077 bugs when i never experienced any such thing at all i played all the way through until the last mission to be played and i didn't have no crazy flying physx going on when i was playing it.
So yep i don't feel amd drivers are bad maybe for some on intel chips idk or gigabyte boards asus whomever but for me on my system it's been 100% fine.
Last time i remember from the start of rdna amd clearly stated that it was for gaming cdna was going to be pro cards i call that two different horses for different tasks, same as nvidia making mining cards ect.
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AlienALX
Well-known member
Well I can tell you now no GPU goes 15 months with zero issues. Games will often crash, and usually down to the driver. It's fixing that issue that Nvidia have been much better at.
There have been no major problems with Nvidia drivers in many years. You would have heard about it. I would bet you heard all about the black screen issues on Navi. The last major issue Nvidia had was years ago and it involved stopping the GPU fan from working. Which killed a whole bunch of 200 series GPUs and some 400.
KingNosser
Well-known member
I had tons of crash to desktop on nvidia but i don't see that as a gpu issue as often it's a network or server issue with the game server, but i'm not getting major bugs that are game breaking or frustrating, but of course at times a game will do the vanishing act but that's rare even for some of the games I play that are network related hardly an issue to reopen the game and continue not like it happens constantly to the point of frustration you could say that about any game general bugs like that unless happening all day long are imho not indicitive of a gpu issue, used to hate seeing that nvidia box in the bottom right pop up after crash black screen.
I'm being honest for me i expected far far worse experience and i was willing to fork over for trying but it's just not been that way at all very smooth as i said i've had none of the general game bugs and some of the cyber punk ones were crazy to look at kinda reminded me of ass creed unity.
As I also said i'm not saying others aren't having issues just that for me i'm not having a bad experience at all and not having to sit messing in drivers on different games to get them to play nice i check once a week for driver update and thats it, but others with different hardware software ect could be having a nightmare but i'm not them.
My only feeling atm is when i put the 5800x in after bios update is that i might then see issues it being a hardware change and all so if i have issues your know about it and then i'd have to look for a new board but atm it's been solid.
also overclocking in general is often the root cause for serious repeatable issues and my OC on my 1700 is about as high as i'd dare go and also the gpu is an overclocked card so i've not pushed that too often, many things can be user error or general instablity of the system where not setup correctly.
even a slight hick up in something like easy anti cheat ect will boot you out of a game.
the last nvidia issue i heard of was new world and ftw3's dying while on the start up page it was pushing the fps and killing the card but there have been a few other over the years even when 3k series launched they had memory issues on early ones that died.
Idk how often i get a crash exactly but it's not daily and certainly not repeating and being a real issue, but yea like many of the past cards gens ect there are plenty of issue to point out on both sides.
I'm being honest for me i expected far far worse experience and i was willing to fork over for trying but it's just not been that way at all very smooth as i said i've had none of the general game bugs and some of the cyber punk ones were crazy to look at kinda reminded me of ass creed unity.
As I also said i'm not saying others aren't having issues just that for me i'm not having a bad experience at all and not having to sit messing in drivers on different games to get them to play nice i check once a week for driver update and thats it, but others with different hardware software ect could be having a nightmare but i'm not them.
My only feeling atm is when i put the 5800x in after bios update is that i might then see issues it being a hardware change and all so if i have issues your know about it and then i'd have to look for a new board but atm it's been solid.
also overclocking in general is often the root cause for serious repeatable issues and my OC on my 1700 is about as high as i'd dare go and also the gpu is an overclocked card so i've not pushed that too often, many things can be user error or general instablity of the system where not setup correctly.
even a slight hick up in something like easy anti cheat ect will boot you out of a game.
the last nvidia issue i heard of was new world and ftw3's dying while on the start up page it was pushing the fps and killing the card but there have been a few other over the years even when 3k series launched they had memory issues on early ones that died.
Idk how often i get a crash exactly but it's not daily and certainly not repeating and being a real issue, but yea like many of the past cards gens ect there are plenty of issue to point out on both sides.
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