WYP
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Expect to see a lot of Navi this year.
Read more about AMD's plans to have several "Navi Launches" in 2019.
Read more about AMD's plans to have several "Navi Launches" in 2019.
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AMD's Lisa Su Confirms that Navi will have "Launches" in 2019
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since the best AMD has to offer is Radeon VII which is just 10-15% faster than Vega 64, and it struggles to get to the performance of an RTX 2080 which is also just like a GTX 1080ti , consider that Navi will not be a very good performer, but if the price is the correct one....well...
For the time being, AMD needs a direct competitor to RTX 2060. RTX 2060 oced = GTX 1070ti oced = 1080 = Vega 64.
RX 590 cannot compete with this RTX 2060. The price is around 369$ (369€ in Europe). So, unless we get a good AMD card in that range of price with comparable performance.....And i don't see AMD getting that. But we will see.
For the time being, AMD needs a direct competitor to RTX 2060. RTX 2060 oced = GTX 1070ti oced = 1080 = Vega 64.
RX 590 cannot compete with this RTX 2060. The price is around 369$ (369€ in Europe). So, unless we get a good AMD card in that range of price with comparable performance.....And i don't see AMD getting that. But we will see.
AlienALX
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The 590 is not meant to compete with the 2060. For a start it costs £100 less. Now the 2050? or whatever they call it? yes, that's probably going to be competition.
Vega 56 is what competes with the 2060, given it costs around £40 less than the 2060. I think you will find it's pretty evenly matched, costs £40 less and comes with 3 free games worth £100.
So unless you can't live without RTX and BFV you'd be pretty crazy not to get the 56.
g0ggles1994
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Not only that but depending on which shops you're looking at, you can pick up the RoG Vega64 for less than the RoG 2060. Given the choice, I'd have the Vega card any day of the week.
AlienALX
Well-known member
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-42q-as.html
£429 for the ROG 2060
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-41x-as.html
£390 for the Vega. So £40 less. What you should be buying, however, is this.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ess-graphics-card-11276-02-40g-gx-38f-sp.html
When it dips to £299, like it has about five times. Seems OCUK like playing Peekaboo with the price lol.
The games? those are selling to other Vega owners for £50+. So that makes it nearly £100 cheaper than the 2060, if you decided to sacrifice the games.
£429 for the ROG 2060
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-41x-as.html
£390 for the Vega. So £40 less. What you should be buying, however, is this.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ess-graphics-card-11276-02-40g-gx-38f-sp.html
When it dips to £299, like it has about five times. Seems OCUK like playing Peekaboo with the price lol.
The games? those are selling to other Vega owners for £50+. So that makes it nearly £100 cheaper than the 2060, if you decided to sacrifice the games.
AlienALX
Well-known member
That is not a deal on Vega. That is now pretty much the normal price. If it went up? there would be no point to it at all, hence why it's dropped so much. I'm comparing prices on cards you can buy today. No one knows what will happen tomorrow..
Any way, I didn't say I considered the code for BFV worthless. It is, however, ironically worth less. Far less, I bought a genuine key for £20 about a month or more ago because the game wasn't selling (I wonder why? couldn't be anything to do with RTX being so expensive, could it?). Nvidia code? worth about £15 tops to sell, not the £50-£60 I've seen the triple game pack making from Vega. Mostly because every one is going bat crap over RE2, and it costs around £50. The Division 2 will be £50 at launch too, and will be a AAA title IMO.
But yes, if OCUK and others want to sell any Vega cards at all they need to be cheap.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Finally
just a few questions.
the cheapest new vega 56 in the biggest retailer in my country is just only 20€ less than an RTX 2060.
With Vega 56 you get 3 games: RE2, Division 2 and Devil may cry 5 i think. With RTX 2060 you can get BFV or Anthem code.
seen a lot of videos of Vega 56 vs RTX 2060. In the majority of games, wins RTX 2060 (except those particularly designed for AMD cards). Some games favour one or the other. but the hole picture is that RTX 2060 is better.
It also has a "new" technology for the future vs obsolete Vega tech. Also Vegas are hotter, less overclockable and much more power hungry than RTX.
the RTX 2060 oced is almost an RTX 2070 stock. I don't know why would you chose a card that is clearly worse than an Nvidia (unless you are in team red for the win) and don't care about any products from the competitors, which seems to be your case.
I would chose, ANY DAY OF THE YEAR an RTX 2060 over a Vega 56.
the cheapest new vega 56 in the biggest retailer in my country is just only 20€ less than an RTX 2060.
With Vega 56 you get 3 games: RE2, Division 2 and Devil may cry 5 i think. With RTX 2060 you can get BFV or Anthem code.
seen a lot of videos of Vega 56 vs RTX 2060. In the majority of games, wins RTX 2060 (except those particularly designed for AMD cards). Some games favour one or the other. but the hole picture is that RTX 2060 is better.
It also has a "new" technology for the future vs obsolete Vega tech. Also Vegas are hotter, less overclockable and much more power hungry than RTX.
the RTX 2060 oced is almost an RTX 2070 stock. I don't know why would you chose a card that is clearly worse than an Nvidia (unless you are in team red for the win) and don't care about any products from the competitors, which seems to be your case.
I would chose, ANY DAY OF THE YEAR an RTX 2060 over a Vega 56.
looz
Active member
Unlike Pascal, Turing has proper Dx12 support as well.
AlienALX
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Yup I know. That's why in proper DX12 titles my Vega 64 performs almost as well as my Titan XP.
NVIDIA know it too, that's why they've reintroduced stronger core tech after selling smaller higher clocked GPUs for so long.
Things won't improve for Pascal as we head into the future
Much of the benefit so far is down to Turing replicating GCN's shader, register and ALU layout & hierarchy, allowing games optimised for GCN's layout to perform well on Turing. This only really means something in DX12 as in DX11 much of the memory shuffling work & closer to the metal aspects can be handled by the drivers, while DX12 requires developers to create individual code paths for different architectures to make good use of it.
In terms of features, while Turing has added a few points from GCN, such as double speed half precision compute, many of these advanced DX12 features doesn't have much adoption in PC games yet. Turing is still incapable of Async Compute amongst other things, but the alternative they use this time doesn't have nearly the same penalty that Pascal did, albeit there is still a clear penalty.
In terms of features, while Turing has added a few points from GCN, such as double speed half precision compute, many of these advanced DX12 features doesn't have much adoption in PC games yet. Turing is still incapable of Async Compute amongst other things, but the alternative they use this time doesn't have nearly the same penalty that Pascal did, albeit there is still a clear penalty.
AlienALX
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Right, now that I am at my PC let me address this post. I don't like leaving things like this unchallenged, as it then becomes truth.
It's still less and performance is about equal, when everything is taken into consideration (IE proper DX12 games, not the tosh we've been given so far). The game bundle is far better, too. So unless you must have RTX which is in a whopping one game then the AMD card is a better deal, IMO.
That you do. So you make up your mind of either one game that is selling for about £20, or you take three worth around £150 to buy new, given two of them have not been launched and will cost £50 at launch. So like I said, the AMD bundle is a better deal.
OK now this is the part where you seem to lack some understanding. 2060 is not better. In games designed for DX12 (and not for AMD like you seem to think) it is pretty much dead even. So it comes back to whether or not you must have RTX (which will never be a household thing, given it is specific to one vendor and one technology) and whether you are brand specific yourself. Which clearly I can see from your post, you are.
No. Just, no. Vega is not obsolete tech, given that the focus on Vega and Fury was *always* DX12. That is why it was left intact, kitchen sink and anchor. So that tech will not be obsolete until we move to DX13, unlucky for some etc. Just because Nvidia have introduced RT does not mean that every game will now only run on RT making everything else obsolete. That's silly.
No, the 2060 is not as fast as a 2070. Not ever. It may come close, but even when overclocked the 2060 offers the same sort of performance as the 1070ti. It is more level with the 1070 at stock. Nvidia are not stupid, nor in the habit of giving anything away any more. All of a sudden people get carried away (like you, there) and assume things. Now people are saying the 2060 is faster than the 1080 and rubbish like that. Not true.
Now as for caring about teams for the win? your last sentence sums that up perfectly. You are clearly dedicated to team green, because you could not consider everything a as a whole to base your purchasing decision on. If you did? you'd have bought the 56.
It's still less and performance is about equal, when everything is taken into consideration (IE proper DX12 games, not the tosh we've been given so far). The game bundle is far better, too. So unless you must have RTX which is in a whopping one game then the AMD card is a better deal, IMO.
That you do. So you make up your mind of either one game that is selling for about £20, or you take three worth around £150 to buy new, given two of them have not been launched and will cost £50 at launch. So like I said, the AMD bundle is a better deal.
OK now this is the part where you seem to lack some understanding. 2060 is not better. In games designed for DX12 (and not for AMD like you seem to think) it is pretty much dead even. So it comes back to whether or not you must have RTX (which will never be a household thing, given it is specific to one vendor and one technology) and whether you are brand specific yourself. Which clearly I can see from your post, you are.
No. Just, no. Vega is not obsolete tech, given that the focus on Vega and Fury was *always* DX12. That is why it was left intact, kitchen sink and anchor. So that tech will not be obsolete until we move to DX13, unlucky for some etc. Just because Nvidia have introduced RT does not mean that every game will now only run on RT making everything else obsolete. That's silly.
No, the 2060 is not as fast as a 2070. Not ever. It may come close, but even when overclocked the 2060 offers the same sort of performance as the 1070ti. It is more level with the 1070 at stock. Nvidia are not stupid, nor in the habit of giving anything away any more. All of a sudden people get carried away (like you, there) and assume things. Now people are saying the 2060 is faster than the 1080 and rubbish like that. Not true.
Now as for caring about teams for the win? your last sentence sums that up perfectly. You are clearly dedicated to team green, because you could not consider everything a as a whole to base your purchasing decision on. If you did? you'd have bought the 56.
looz
Active member
Your performance assessment is off, 2060 is pretty much 1070 Ti when stock, overclocked it's actually not far off from an overclocked 1080. Whatever benchmarks I've ran I've ended up competing with 1080s and Vega 64s.
Also, I find it odd that you count the AMD bundle's worth at retail price of the games, yet for Nvidia's bundle you include the market price (which should be the value used for both). Similarly, why ignore the better Dx11 performance? It's not like the difference isn't there, even if it's due to driver optimisation and such.
They're both similarly priced and can perform similarly, can't really go wrong with either. If you prefer more VRAM, go Vega, if you prefer Nvidia's gimmicks and lower TDP, go that route. Or just go by your opinion of the company, that's fine too.
Also, I find it odd that you count the AMD bundle's worth at retail price of the games, yet for Nvidia's bundle you include the market price (which should be the value used for both). Similarly, why ignore the better Dx11 performance? It's not like the difference isn't there, even if it's due to driver optimisation and such.
They're both similarly priced and can perform similarly, can't really go wrong with either. If you prefer more VRAM, go Vega, if you prefer Nvidia's gimmicks and lower TDP, go that route. Or just go by your opinion of the company, that's fine too.
AlienALX
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Very sensible post. I don't agree about the performance, but ho hum.
I really don't care what people buy mate. Seriously, knock yourself out, YOLO and all that happy horse poo. Just don't rubbish something you clearly don't understand very well (and I am not referring to you when I say that !).
I'll be honest I have only bought AMD in recent years because it was available to me (when they were all sold out) and cheap as balls. I paid £130 less than retail for a week old Fury X that you could not buy if you wanted to, and £240 for a Vega 64.
And contrary to popular belief both of them were and are bloody good cards. Not the devil incarnate people seem to think they are, or as hot, or as noisy or as lousy.
i don't have time to be quoting, so i´ll go straight.
EVERY YOUTUBER I'VE SEEN, even Gamers Nexus has said that RTX 2060 oced is very near an RTX 2070. So i don't think you can deny that, unless you want your fake idea to stay as a lie.
you said nothing about overclocking, it runs hotter (which makes is impossible to run a Crossfire config) unless you run water loop, and power consumption. Smart of you to "forget" about those "important" issues Vegas suffer. Are you trying to mislead people ??
You have a Vega 64. I don't have any Nvidia card. In fact, i have 2 MSI RX 580 GAMING X in crossfire on my main rig (Yes, i know, it makes no sense to have crossfire with low games support right now) but it was a present. But i also have 3 RX 570 sapphire nitro + and 5 RX 580 sapphire Nitro+ on my mining rigs. I'm not what you would call an Nvidia guy. So good luck next time with your fake statements. Who did you say was playing the "brand" game??LOL.
RTX have GREAT support for DX12, so guess what? Vegas will not take the lead anymore on that. Just Vulkan , and let's say it clear, it's not massively used right now.
anyway, you´ll never change my mind. RTX 2060 is better than Vega 56 anyday of the year in performance. If we consider it's less overclockable, it runs hotter , doesn't have support for new tech, and uses much more power to get less fps in general, well, the answer is....yes, you are mistaken.
i've seen your latest posts, and yes, you appear to be a salty guy, saying you don't care but you actually defend a position that has been destroyed in my post. Take it with a bit of salt if you want.
ohh BTW? where do you see your benchmarks?? RTX 2060 stock is about as fast as a GTX 1070ti.
just see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAt60_c4Fqs
This is what it has been PROVED
RTX 2060 oced = GTX 1070ti oced = GTX 1080 stock = Vega 64 stock. RTX 2060 OCED is very close to RTX 2070. This is what it's been proved widely by youtubers. Just take a look, and don't call ignorants the people that already know more than you. Just saying...
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