WYP
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AMD declares their RX 9070 XT the value king - RTX 5070 Ti delivers less performance/$.
Read more about the Radeon RX 9070 XT's value proposition.
AMD RX 9070 XT VS Nvidia RTX 5070 Ti - AMD calls their GPU the value king
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Read more about the Radeon RX 9070 XT's value proposition.
KingNosser
Well-known member
They won 
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
$600 is very good! Well done AMD. As long partner cards are available at that price and they make all attempts to prevent scalping and international gouging, they will sell boatloads of these all over the world. I look forward to the Steam hardware survey shifting over the next few years. Even if FSR 4 is not up to the standards of DLSS 4, I still think they have a winner.
However, $550 for the non-XT? I see they learned nothing from the 7700XT. Unless it's impossible to make appropriate margins on such a cut down chip, the non-XT is going to be nothing more than an ugly promotional tool for the full die. Shame really.
However, $550 for the non-XT? I see they learned nothing from the 7700XT. Unless it's impossible to make appropriate margins on such a cut down chip, the non-XT is going to be nothing more than an ugly promotional tool for the full die. Shame really.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Firstly yeah $600 is awesome. Usually they snuggle up and in this case that would be the $750 5070ti. So $150 less for the same raster is a lot.
Where we differ on opinion though is the 9070. See, the way I look at it is that it is over 20% more performance than the 7900GRE for the same price. That said, AMD do drop prices over time. Clearly they have with the 7800XT and 7700XT to bring them more in line. So yeah, right at launch it will probably make less sense than it will a year in. Me however? well I am fine with that. I know now that I can replace any of my GPUs with more performance for 550. The only one that has cost me less than that was the 6900XT Toxic. The 6800XT Strix was 720 quid and the 6950xt without the block was 630 IIRC. Which tbh I was quite happy to pay, as they were all at least 50% cheaper than the 2080ti they replaced and a fair chunk faster too.
Watched Tom's video earlier. That Sapphire (hope this does not become a reality pun lmfao) is fire. Absolutely gorgeous card. Let's just hope the big coolers don't add too much to the cost.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
It's a worse GPU though. They could have made two amazing GPUs. But it's one amazing one and one OK one. That seems pointlessly demoralising for those that wanted to spend less but still get a 16GB card.
That said, the 7700XT is higher up on the list on Steam than the 7800XT...
Excalabur50
Well-known member
I'm calling it now, it's a fake msrp most of the cards will be $700 or more and you'll only get msrp cards for a little while before they disappear like mist!
KingNosser
Well-known member
Yeah it’s clear to me the sapphire card will be 700 or more but that is their higher spec model there will be msrp cards thou just maybe not the kind of cooler you want but that is normal for any tier of gpu so this isn’t something anyone shouldn’t expect beyond 750 thou then i have issues on that.
I will like a fair few of the cards my issue is and why i wont rush is i cant have a bigger card than i currently own it needs to be a 2.5 slot card any bigger and i cant fit that simple for me.
But anyone need not worry i feel as i do feel there is stock on these and i do hope they keep a flow as im hearing they been ready since January and did work on software and deliberately held them back so should be stock many have in hand.
If we end up seeing silly prices thou well no one will be happy about it and that would definitely be game over for the generation from me and i would look to a 7900xtx but obviously it would have to be cheap and yes the 9070xt is the card to buy.
That 9070 will drop in price and i feel less stock due to good yeilds and the likelihood is they know aibs will go over 600 and so that gives it the correct gap.
So for me 750 max 700 common and 650 normal but just what cards will be 600 cause if that nitro plus is 600 well gonna be very difficult to get one as that will fly off the shelf even if 699
I will like a fair few of the cards my issue is and why i wont rush is i cant have a bigger card than i currently own it needs to be a 2.5 slot card any bigger and i cant fit that simple for me.
But anyone need not worry i feel as i do feel there is stock on these and i do hope they keep a flow as im hearing they been ready since January and did work on software and deliberately held them back so should be stock many have in hand.
If we end up seeing silly prices thou well no one will be happy about it and that would definitely be game over for the generation from me and i would look to a 7900xtx but obviously it would have to be cheap and yes the 9070xt is the card to buy.
That 9070 will drop in price and i feel less stock due to good yeilds and the likelihood is they know aibs will go over 600 and so that gives it the correct gap.
So for me 750 max 700 common and 650 normal but just what cards will be 600 cause if that nitro plus is 600 well gonna be very difficult to get one as that will fly off the shelf even if 699
AlienALX
Well-known member
Yea for a reason. And that reason is price.
You need to ignore the higher card. Then think 550 for the same price as the GRE with 23% higher raster perf.
That 50 can buy you an ssd dude.
ImprovizoR
Active member
5070Ti is 100 eur cheaper than the 9070XT in my neck of the woods. Not that I'd ever consider buying a fire hazard or paying 1100 eeuros for it.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
But is it reasonable to cherry pick comparisons? It's difficult to ignore a GPU that's clearly better.
KingNosser
Well-known member
They will discount the 9070 your not see that on the XT version for a time they had good yields thou of course true it wont sell much or at least shouldn’t until it’s much lower but don’t expect many aibs to price at 600 as msrp is a different thing to rrp but yeah should be some but most will be high it’s the ones below 700 ill be looking at im in no rush plus any talk on udna1 would very quickly make me decide to wait
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
$550 is more than likely the launch price and then AMD saw the Internet response and changed the XT down from $650 to $600
That's the only way things make sense to me.
At this price point I don't see a reason for a 9070. It's a hard sell. It's better than nothing. It's all leftover dies from the XT. In 6 months I think the 9070 will end up being much more discounted and be an extremely high price/performance card and that is something Nvidia will struggle to compete against.
That's the only way things make sense to me.
At this price point I don't see a reason for a 9070. It's a hard sell. It's better than nothing. It's all leftover dies from the XT. In 6 months I think the 9070 will end up being much more discounted and be an extremely high price/performance card and that is something Nvidia will struggle to compete against.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
It's only going to be the value king if it performs well. If it's 7900XT levels of perf then AMD are onto a winner. The real issue is retailers marking the prices up, Places like OCUK who are now known as overchargers UK for a reason which ends up putting people off.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Both will perform well. We've all known for quite some time the performance levels AMD were targeting. If people are upset it doesn't perform more than a 7900XT that is on them and not AMD.
I feel like AMD couldn't have been more clear as to what the 9700 lineup was going to be. Especially given the official pricing it just screams value king.
In the future I hope AMD releases a 9600XT that could wipe the floor with the lower mid-range stack that's increasingly becoming a forgotten market.
KingNosser
Well-known member
This is where i feel most folks will get disappointed that i highly doubt there will be any other cards if you want lower priced versions you have the previous generations.
Honestly feel amds whole focus other than production is udna1 and ps6 they will have that mostly planned and ready to move on.
But there aim i expect is next year PC side maybe later as ps6 will i expect be 2027 around this time or possibly Christmas 2026 but that would be there main focus now.
Production and price adjustments over time rather than flooding the market with product when they still looking to sell the older lower mid ranges.
Honestly feel amds whole focus other than production is udna1 and ps6 they will have that mostly planned and ready to move on.
But there aim i expect is next year PC side maybe later as ps6 will i expect be 2027 around this time or possibly Christmas 2026 but that would be there main focus now.
Production and price adjustments over time rather than flooding the market with product when they still looking to sell the older lower mid ranges.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Oh of course. I'd imagine right now that depending on yield the XT will be the more plentiful card. IE only failed XT dies will be 9070s. Meaning cost will be the same.
That's probably why the small price gap. However we all know AMD will reduce those prices in line over time. The 7700XT is higher in the Steam survey than the 7800XT and on launch that made no sense either.
All that said you need to look at this for what it is. 50 pounds or dollars buys you another component. Like an AIO, SSD and so on. And if like most of the planet you are on a strict budget that's not to be sneezed at. And, I would imagine, is why the 7700XT has more users on Steam.
Let's also hope AMD offer a game with the GPUs as they often do too. Which again makes a huge difference.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
That still doesn't make complete sense to me though.
Firstly, the reason the 7700XT seems to have done better is because it's cheaper, not because it's better. We've seen time and time again that people will buy cheaper cards even though they are worse value. We all complained about the 3050 being the worst GPU of all time, yet it sold ridiculously well. We all naturally compared it to virtually everything, not just cherry picked examples.
Secondly, do they have to cut down the 9070 XT so much? What if it were cut down just enough to make it the same value as the XT? Either that's not possible or they are deliberately doing it to force people to pay more. That's my issue. The price to performance ratio of the non-XT is worse when I don't see why it has to be. It has dramatically lower specs for a tiny price drop. The clock speed is way lower, so unless it's an overclocking champion, I just don't see the reason other than segmentation, which is another word for profiteering.
$50 is still worth something though like you said. It's half the difference between a 6 or 8 core CPU, which is very much worth the investment for many. So saving $50 on the GPU can be put to something else of great value as well.
AlienALX
Well-known member
7700XT proves that price usually outweighs all else. See also - why the 3050 sold so well. I would imagine that most of those 3050s went to kids who wanted to play Fortnite with their friends. And thus mum did not want to spend 1p more than she had to.
As for cutting down etc? I'm no silicon engineer but I would say yes. Then again I am not disagreeing with you that it is not worth buying yet... But then I am a 52 year old man with no kids and no dependents. So I would never screw myself to save that 50 quid. However, it doesn't mean I think in a linear fashion. Like I keep saying, price is king. Not sense, or value, or anything else.
Each chip on the wafer costs exactly the same. Each board costs the same. Each piece of memory and power components... ETC ETC ad nauseum but you can see where I am going. The coolers cost the same, etc etc etc. Packaging....
Do AMD want you to buy the 9070? it doesn't look like it. However, that saving will tempt many people. Remember, not every one spends their days watching tech videos and etc. Only a small fraction of users do that.
As for cutting down etc? I'm no silicon engineer but I would say yes. Then again I am not disagreeing with you that it is not worth buying yet... But then I am a 52 year old man with no kids and no dependents. So I would never screw myself to save that 50 quid. However, it doesn't mean I think in a linear fashion. Like I keep saying, price is king. Not sense, or value, or anything else.
Each chip on the wafer costs exactly the same. Each board costs the same. Each piece of memory and power components... ETC ETC ad nauseum but you can see where I am going. The coolers cost the same, etc etc etc. Packaging....
Do AMD want you to buy the 9070? it doesn't look like it. However, that saving will tempt many people. Remember, not every one spends their days watching tech videos and etc. Only a small fraction of users do that.
KingNosser
Well-known member
Chances are most 9070xt’s will be between 650 upto 800 maybe more msrp isn’t rrp that is upto the aibs but yes the base 9070 will drop over time but that is why it’s priced closely as the 9070xt is further apart and cost amd the same investment just like any other piece of silicon always been that way or has everyone forgotten the £1000 intel 8 core chips years past 
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