WYP
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Semi-Custom has also been folded into RTG.
Read more about AMD's restructuring of the Radeon Technologies Group.
Read more about AMD's restructuring of the Radeon Technologies Group.
AMD Reforges the Radeon Technologies Group under New Leadership
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Excalabur50
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Well lets hope we see some great gpu's out of AMD
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I really hope they do something, All these low end GPU's they release is getting old, and market hare is mirroring this.
We need a monster GPU from AMD.
We need a monster GPU from AMD.
AlienALX
Well-known member
I don't think you are going to get that ever again from AMD. Firstly because they have had pretty much no success since the 5000 series and secondly because that isn't their plan.
Their plan is to make small Polaris "like" cores and put them onto one die. This will happen once the shrinking continues, thus by the time we see them there will be like four on one die.
That would be a terribly risky strategy, if not for the fact Nvidia are planning to do exactly the same.
This means consoles will get the same, like it or not, because even if they defect to Nvidia they are getting the same thing, like it or not.
However, there is one risk with this (Navi). And that is releasing it too soon before the consoles have it. It will be a laughing stock for about three years if they do that.
However, I can almost bet that the next "wave" of consoles will come with some form of Navi in them. And it will be about two years before we see that nailed (the whole mGPU thing) and then desktop Navi will be worth having.
WYP
News Guru
The main thing to take away here is that Radeon is now in control of Semi-Custom, allowing them to take more advantage of the console market and that Business and Engineering are now controlled by two separate people.
Say what you will about Raja, but he did a good job heading RTG, Radeon Software is so much better than Catalyst ever was and managed to create some decent products on a shoestring budget. Remember that AMD is only now starting to make money and invest more in R&D.
Thanks to AMD's success the company's R&D budgets have already increased by over 20% from Q3 2016-Q3 2017. It will be very interesting to see how this number changes coming into this quarter. (Data releases in a week or two).
The biggest problem that RTG has had is the inability to spend money on multiple chip designs to send to fabs, preventing AMD from hitting more sections of the GPU market with a wider range of products. This is why there is no Vega replacement for Polaris yet etc, etc.
Thanks to Nvidia's cashflow they can make GP100 (Tesla P100), GP102 (TitanX 1080 Ti), GP104 (1080-1070), GP106 (1060), GP107 (1050+1050 Ti) and GP108 (GTX 1030). Compare that to AMD who has only created a single Vega dedicated GPU design.
Say what you will about Raja, but he did a good job heading RTG, Radeon Software is so much better than Catalyst ever was and managed to create some decent products on a shoestring budget. Remember that AMD is only now starting to make money and invest more in R&D.
Thanks to AMD's success the company's R&D budgets have already increased by over 20% from Q3 2016-Q3 2017. It will be very interesting to see how this number changes coming into this quarter. (Data releases in a week or two).
The biggest problem that RTG has had is the inability to spend money on multiple chip designs to send to fabs, preventing AMD from hitting more sections of the GPU market with a wider range of products. This is why there is no Vega replacement for Polaris yet etc, etc.
Thanks to Nvidia's cashflow they can make GP100 (Tesla P100), GP102 (TitanX 1080 Ti), GP104 (1080-1070), GP106 (1060), GP107 (1050+1050 Ti) and GP108 (GTX 1030). Compare that to AMD who has only created a single Vega dedicated GPU design.
WYP
News Guru
Yeah, it is good for AMD to have their products sell so well, but the problem is that if the mining base collapses the market will be filled with used cards.
Another problem is that if these new cards are not used for gaming, AMD will have a hard time to get developers to design their products with Radeon graphics in mind.
A lot of gamers are selling their Radeon graphics cards (at higher than MSRP) to get higher-end Nvidia cards, so if anything mining is reducing AMD's GPU market share.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Mining isn't good in general except for Nvidia.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It's not unecofrirendly if you are using it to make money? The money you make you can put back into the environment if you want to
AlienALX
Well-known member
Oooo pics pls!
the idea of a mcm gpus isn't to become a multigpu, but to be recognized as a single larger gpu, and thus programs won't notice the difference, it does mean that from the driver and firmware side it will be hard to implement thanks to the added latencies and added complexity but if they can pull it off it will be a great product.
there is also the chance that scalability doesn't mean a mcm gpu, and that it means something different that amd is also really needing, more pipelines, as the main problem with amd gpus right now is that the gpu become unbalanced at the high end thanks to them not being able to scale other parts of the gpu ( aka not the CUs), a good example of this is the 290x which ahs the same amounts of ROPS as the fury x and vega 64,only difference being more compute units, which although help a lot in compute performance don't help much in games without good optimization.
vega has improved some parts of the gpu to address this problem but it seems that they are hard to implement in the driver as thus vega still has the same bottlenecks as the fury cards.
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