AMD has confirmed that their Ryzen CPUs will be launching in early March

With the ASUS Prime X370 and a 4c/8t (or maybe if they do go with a 6c/12t) Ryzen CPU, March will be a fun time. Then I'll have enough time to save for Vega. Or I could wait until Vega and upgrade as a whole.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
With the ASUS Prime X370 and a 4c/8t (or maybe if they do go with a 6c/12t) Ryzen CPU, March will be a fun time. Then I'll have enough time to save for Vega. Or I could wait until Vega and upgrade as a whole.
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That's my quandary. Do I aggessively save up now in time for mid-range RyZen and then save for mid-range Vega or do I just keep saving until early next year and get the next round of top-end hardware?
 
Daiyus said:
That's my quandary. Do I aggessively save up now in time for mid-range RyZen and then save for mid-range Vega or do I just keep saving until early next year and get the next round of top-end hardware?
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That would depend on what you actually utilise in respects of hardware and which resolution your monitor is
 
Daiyus said:
That's my quandary. Do I aggessively save up now in time for mid-range RyZen and then save for mid-range Vega or do I just keep saving until early next year and get the next round of top-end hardware?
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I call that the "PC Travelator". You know those things at the airport where you get on and they carry you along with your luggage? well it's kinda like one of those but you walk forward on it and go nowhere.

Buying technology is you on the travelator. You have to step off of it at some point, mate. IE - you need to buy something and then be happy with it/enjoy it at some point. If you find yourself getting off and continually jumping back on then you have issues :D (and yes, that was a joke and in no way a personal insult !).

With CPUs at least getting off the travelator is usually fine. Just buy the best you can afford, then sit back. GPUs though? god, I'm nearly ready to get off for good !

I would say that Intel can not go much further now. Once they hit Cannonlake they will be nose pressed against the wall of Moore's Law. They need a new tech and they know it (and they have even come out and said they are doing a new tech now).

Thing is look how long Ryzen took. So Intel are going to compete with what they have to hand, so I would say that CPU tech isn't going anywhere atm. It's far, far slower to progress than GPU tech and as long as you don't buy the "Macdonalds" CPUs (where you eat and ten seconds later you burp and you are hungry again) then CPUs usually work out as a decent investment.

My Phenom 2 1055T still flies with an SSD up its posterior, and I can not see me replacing my 8c 16t Ivy or 5820k for quite some time either.
 
Daiyus said:
That's my quandary. Do I aggessively save up now in time for mid-range RyZen and then save for mid-range Vega or do I just keep saving until early next year and get the next round of top-end hardware?
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Hmmm... yeah. Everyone has different wants and needs. My Fury can't handle a lot of the newer games at 1440p/144Hz. It's fine with the older games I'm playing now, but now newer titles like Deus Ex and BF1. So technically I don't need an upgrade as I'm still contented with what I've got. That means that if Vega is too expensive at launch and needs time to settle a bit I might wait until the end of Summer to see how things are looking. By then I would have had my Fury for about 20-22 months, or almost two years. That's a good lifespan for a GPU, in my opinion, and I'd be happy to upgrade.

Then on the CPU front, my Haswell i5 just isn't cutting it any more. I definitely would like a higher-end CPU. I also want a new boot drive to install Windows 10 on. I'm currently using Windows 7 on a SATA SSD and I'd really like to upgrade to a faster m.2 drive and install W10 on it. I've had my CPU for three years now and I think it's ready for an upgrade. I did have to replace my original Z87 board after it broke, which was unplanned and nabbed €180 from my 'proper' upgrade money, but if RyZen and X370 is good enough and I can afford it then there really won't be much point in waiting. I may as well enjoy it for as long as possible if it fits my criteria. That's my thought process, anyway.

For you, if midrange RyZen and midrange Vega meets your needs, just upgrade. Don't keep waiting. Enjoy the hardware for as long as possible.
 
Tolemac said:
That would depend on what you actually utilise in respects of hardware and which resolution your monitor is
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I'll need a new monitor. I'm currently using an old 720p HDTV and it's just not good enough. My gaming rig has traditionally been a HTPC also but I'm beginning to want to move away from one system to do both and let my current keep those duties and have another more powerful system for gaming and workstation stuff. The problem is my house doesn't really have room to "add" a computer desk (it's a sore spot between me and my wife) so it comes back to wanting a system that'll still do everything which means big screen, which means 4K, which means no variable sync at the sizes I need which means wait for a 40"+ that has Freesync or buy the best hardware on the market...

AlienALX said:
I call that the "PC Travelator". You know those things at the airport where you get on and they carry you along with your luggage? well it's kinda like one of those but you walk forward on it and go nowhere.

Buying technology is you on the travelator. You have to step off of it at some point, mate. IE - you need to buy something and then be happy with it/enjoy it at some point. If you find yourself getting off and continually jumping back on then you have issues :D (and yes, that was a joke and in no way a personal insult !).

With CPUs at least getting off the travelator is usually fine. Just buy the best you can afford, then sit back. GPUs though? god, I'm nearly ready to get off for good !

I would say that Intel can not go much further now. Once they hit Cannonlake they will be nose pressed against the wall of Moore's Law. They need a new tech and they know it (and they have even come out and said they are doing a new tech now).

Thing is look how long Ryzen took. So Intel are going to compete with what they have to hand, so I would say that CPU tech isn't going anywhere atm. It's far, far slower to progress than GPU tech and as long as you don't buy the "Macdonalds" CPUs (where you eat and ten seconds later you burp and you are hungry again) then CPUs usually work out as a decent investment.

My Phenom 2 1055T still flies with an SSD up its posterior, and I can not see me replacing my 8c 16t Ivy or 5820k for quite some time either.
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No insult taken. For the record I have serious issues but that's just who I am am; nothing offensive about that. I think you've really got a point on CPU tech slowing down. While an 8c16t CPU sounds great in theory in reality is that for the majority of everyday uses a 4c8t or even just 4c4t will be absolutely fine. Maybe it would be worth bagging a decent motherboard and CPU this year...

AngryGoldfish said:
Hmmm... yeah. Everyone has different wants and needs. My Fury can't handle a lot of the newer games at 1440p/144Hz. It's fine with the older games I'm playing now, but now newer titles like Deus Ex and BF1. So technically I don't need an upgrade as I'm still contented with what I've got. That means that if Vega is too expensive at launch and needs time to settle a bit I might wait until the end of Summer to see how things are looking. By then I would have had my Fury for about 20-22 months, or almost two years. That's a good lifespan for a GPU, in my opinion, and I'd be happy to upgrade.

Then on the CPU front, my Haswell i5 just isn't cutting it any more. I definitely would like a higher-end CPU. I also want a new boot drive to install Windows 10 on. I'm currently using Windows 7 on a SATA SSD and I'd really like to upgrade to a faster m.2 drive and install W10 on it. I've had my CPU for three years now and I think it's ready for an upgrade. I did have to replace my original Z87 board after it broke, which was unplanned and nabbed €180 from my 'proper' upgrade money, but if RyZen and X370 is good enough and I can afford it then there really won't be much point in waiting. I may as well enjoy it for as long as possible if it fits my criteria. That's my thought process, anyway.

For you, if midrange RyZen and midrange Vega meets your needs, just upgrade. Don't keep waiting. Enjoy the hardware for as long as possible.
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Well my last build was an Intel Xeon E3-1231 v3 with a GTX 1070, I was planning on upgrading other elements (namely the monitor) but my car broke which meant I had to give the GTX 1070 back (my mate accidentally ordered two and let me pay him back over a few months; never got to make the first payment before the car went) and sell the rest of the PC to pay for a new car.

My rig before that did five years of service; an FX-4170 and a Radeon HD 7870. I really have no issue with holding onto hardware for a long time if it keeps working. I'm getting the feeling that a CPU this year and then getting a GPU early next year might be the way to go; or maybe upgrade my HTPC to a Raven Ridge APU which should run most modern games at 720p no problem and satisfy the need to upgrade before saving for a balls-to-the-wall blowout. I've always wanted to do a custom case with a custom loop in it; I could build the case this year and get my top end hardware next year...
 
Daiyus said:
I'll need a new monitor. I'm currently using an old 720p HDTV and it's just not good enough. My gaming rig has traditionally been a HTPC also but I'm beginning to want to move away from one system to do both and let my current keep those duties and have another more powerful system for gaming and workstation stuff. The problem is my house doesn't really have room to "add" a computer desk (it's a sore spot between me and my wife) so it comes back to wanting a system that'll still do everything which means big screen, which means 4K, which means no variable sync at the sizes I need which means wait for a 40"+ that has Freesync or buy the best hardware on the market...

No insult taken. For the record I have serious issues but that's just who I am am; nothing offensive about that. I think you've really got a point on CPU tech slowing down. While an 8c16t CPU sounds great in theory in reality is that for the majority of everyday uses a 4c8t or even just 4c4t will be absolutely fine. Maybe it would be worth bagging a decent motherboard and CPU this year...

Well my last build was an Intel Xeon E3-1231 v3 with a GTX 1070, I was planning on upgrading other elements (namely the monitor) but my car broke which meant I had to give the GTX 1070 back (my mate accidentally ordered two and let me pay him back over a few months; never got to make the first payment before the car went) and sell the rest of the PC to pay for a new car.

My rig before that did five years of service; an FX-4170 and a Radeon HD 7870. I really have no issue with holding onto hardware for a long time if it keeps working. I'm getting the feeling that a CPU this year and then getting a GPU early next year might be the way to go; or maybe upgrade my HTPC to a Raven Ridge APU which should run most modern games at 720p no problem and satisfy the need to upgrade before saving for a balls-to-the-wall blowout. I've always wanted to do a custom case with a custom loop in it; I could build the case this year and get my top end hardware next year...
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Midrange Vega should really be an excellent architecture for something that will last five years. The technology is clearly more advanced than is even necessary. A few lads on here have argued that AMD have spent too much time and money investing in new technologies when they are not even necessary or called for yet and instead should have been focusing on increasing their clock speeds and core performance. There is so much cool stuff in Vega that I definitely think it'll be special. It may not beat the competition outright or offer ground breaking performance, but it should theoretically mature with charm. But that's my 2c.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
Midrange Vega should really be an excellent architecture for something that will last five years. The technology is clearly more advanced than is even necessary. A few lads on here have argued that AMD have spent too much time and money investing in new technologies when they are not even necessary or called for yet and instead should have been focusing on increasing their clock speeds and core performance. There is so much cool stuff in Vega that I definitely think it'll be special. It may not beat the competition outright or offer ground breaking performance, but it should theoretically mature with charm. But that's my 2c.
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I think this is quite true my R9 290X still holds its own in games and has definatly aged very well
 
Tolemac said:
I think this is quite true my R9 290X still holds its own in games and has definatly aged very well
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Being honest the HD 7870 has held up really well. I was running it with the Xeon for a while and it made it evidently clear tha the FX-4170 was the main cause of stuttering and low FPS in most of my games.

The GTX 1070 was a great GPU with some major horsepower but it always felt like it was playing safe. I'm no fanboy but I have always felt AMD are that little more forward thinking technology wise. It's why I'm pretty well set on going back to an AMD/AMD build. It's that the Intel/Nvidia was bad or anything, just a bit to safe.

I think I'll try and stick with my current A10-8600k HTPC for this year while I build my custom case; no point in getting a Raven Ridge for the sake of it, there's plenty of older games in my library I've yet to fully play. Once the case is built and ready for some hardware I'll re-evaluate the situation and decide which hardware I want to put in it. If I do this right I might even be able to have RyZen and Vega before the year is out; early Christmas present anyone?

Thanks guys, you've been a great help. I like hanging out here.
 
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