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Modern games are demanding more VRAM, and AMD's GPUs typically have more memory.
Read more about AMD's "More Memory Matters" marketing campaign.
Read more about AMD's "More Memory Matters" marketing campaign.
AMD claims that "More Memory Matters" ahead of RTX 4070 launch
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KingNosser
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I'm expecting a slight refresh like they done before then a slight reduction in the two cards they have, i do find it annoying that the mid range has taken so long to even be coming out.
As much as i agree that vram is an issue it just seems silly to make an ad campaign for it.
So I expect from this the mid range has 16gb and the lowest end card has 12gb if they do anything less they look like jerks to me.
if the current two cards were £100 cheaper it'd sure look better.
but there as said a few times i'm 1-2 gens away from my next card, still not tried the last of us yet but i expect it'll run alright after all these patches it must have done something.
Saying that the HUB video spells it out clearly that 8gb cards shouldn't be a thing anymore.
As much as i agree that vram is an issue it just seems silly to make an ad campaign for it.
So I expect from this the mid range has 16gb and the lowest end card has 12gb if they do anything less they look like jerks to me.
if the current two cards were £100 cheaper it'd sure look better.
but there as said a few times i'm 1-2 gens away from my next card, still not tried the last of us yet but i expect it'll run alright after all these patches it must have done something.
Saying that the HUB video spells it out clearly that 8gb cards shouldn't be a thing anymore.
AlienALX
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TBH they are trying everything they can to sell their cheaper than Nvidia cards* for as much as they can for as long as they can. And dumb stuff like this doesn't cut it.
Given the fact they have just rammed themselves up Nvidia's backside they are in no position for call outs.
* their cards cost considerably less than the 40 series due to the multi die. So the very fact they are even competing on high pricing to me is just insulting.
The 6000 series cards probably cost them way more to make, given the larger monolithic dies. So they have no excuse.
I really hope this crap all implodes and they end up out of pocket. It just winds me up to no ends.
Given the fact they have just rammed themselves up Nvidia's backside they are in no position for call outs.
* their cards cost considerably less than the 40 series due to the multi die. So the very fact they are even competing on high pricing to me is just insulting.
The 6000 series cards probably cost them way more to make, given the larger monolithic dies. So they have no excuse.
I really hope this crap all implodes and they end up out of pocket. It just winds me up to no ends.
KingNosser
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Well lesser of two evils but still greedy tbh, they could easily cut 100 off the prices easily.
I'd not be surprised if they are still selling plenty of 6000 series thou.
I want one of the companies to start making progress to aggressive prices get somewhere back towards where things were and until i see amd's midrange out i'll not know for sure, but being honest it shouldn't take this long for it to happen never used too we're what 3 months+ into this gen now.
The tit for tat games they play with words on both sides just muddys the waters, what happened to making a good product at a good price.
cause atm my 6800xt is going to end up lasting longer due to it, just a shame so many good games are coming out that i've saved squat so far too busy paying things off for a while. I've just been installing games for weeks now takes ages to do, but once done that sas card is God Like
So i'm hoping to save 1k+ over the next year as then i'll be ready for something new.
of course Intel are cheap atm, and hopefully that will shine next time around for the midrange, but they wont have a top tier card just yet.
I'd not be surprised if they are still selling plenty of 6000 series thou.
I want one of the companies to start making progress to aggressive prices get somewhere back towards where things were and until i see amd's midrange out i'll not know for sure, but being honest it shouldn't take this long for it to happen never used too we're what 3 months+ into this gen now.
The tit for tat games they play with words on both sides just muddys the waters, what happened to making a good product at a good price.
cause atm my 6800xt is going to end up lasting longer due to it, just a shame so many good games are coming out that i've saved squat so far too busy paying things off for a while. I've just been installing games for weeks now takes ages to do, but once done that sas card is God Like
So i'm hoping to save 1k+ over the next year as then i'll be ready for something new.
of course Intel are cheap atm, and hopefully that will shine next time around for the midrange, but they wont have a top tier card just yet.
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AngryGoldfish
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From what the leaks are suggesting, the 7600XT, which should be capable of 1440p high settings gaming, will only have 8GB of VRAM. That should be enough for most situations, but it seems cheap considering AMD's gloating here. 8GB is the bare minimum, not 'adequate for the application'. If the 7600XT is only £200-250, yeah, that's fine. But if they go for £350-400, that's terrible. I'd rather buy a 6700XT for the same price with a 12GB buffer.
AlienALX
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I don't see it that way. In fact, I blame most of the situation on them. "Less greedy" is still greedy for example, and you say "less greedy" but how do you know?
Everything I can see here tells me they are being more greedy. Let's look at that logically. Their technology in some ways is better. Better because it performs a reasonable job at a much lower cost to them. There is no arguing this. Their multi die job is cheaper for them to make than one big one on a lower node. That is a fact. Yet, their prices are basically exactly the same as Nvidia's. One could almost imagine the phone call between Jen and Lisa about this.
Let's also not forget they are still lacking in features over Nvidia. That also brings them back another step.
Thirdly, and why I think they are actually notably worse than Nvidia? they are not competing. AT ALL. Not for them, and most certainly not for US the gamers. This is not competition AT ALL. In fact, it is the opposite. It is just price matching.
I spoke about this on another forum but people were not mature enough to discuss it properly so it got closed down. At the end of the day if someone is acting a c**t one of their mates usually says "Hey man, you know you're acting like a c**t". At which point they either modify their behaviour or people start to avoid them. So why has AMD not done this to Nvidia? why are they enabling them to do this?
I used a comparison on the other forum. The way I see it? have you ever watched my 600lb life? at the side of every piggy fat sod on that show is the person who enables them to be that greedy. Because at the end of the day if it wasn't for that down trodden weak idiot that person, quite simply, would not be able to shove food in their face all day. At some point that person has to take a stand, and say "Nah bro, too much" and pack it in.
AMD can do this by competing. They can't (or won't, I will get onto that next) compete on performance so they should be competing on products and price. The very fact they have not? says it all to me. It really says it all. There is no competition, just price matching. Which is total anti consumer.
Right and lastly we move onto AMD "not being able" to compete. The fact is? THEY CAN. This gen could have easily been better and faster than Nvidia. They have just given up competing. They said some BS along the lines of "But to beat Nvidia we would have to make a $1600 GPU" but that is just toss. No one has ever truly cared about having the world's fastest GPU in their PC apart from the 1% of 1%. Who like I said in another thread, don't even game on it. They buy it, run a few benchmarks, then sell it and buy another.
The way they could have beaten Nvidia both this round AND last? price. I know that was harder last round because Nvidia used Samsung, but their dies clocked faster because they were better. This round? they have absolutely no excuse. Their dies are costing them less than Nvidia by far, due to their design with the multi die. Yet they have not competed AT ALL. Nothing, zero, nada. It was widely said before this launch they could have had their Maxwell moment. TBH? technically speaking they did. They came up with a way to make a much cheaper design and make it fast, whilst costing a lot less. And, they have passed 0% of that onto their buyers. Instead opting to be as greedy as Nvidia if not more so, all based on their CPU clout.
It's absolute toss. The only company competing right now are Intel. And they are. They are decimating AMD and Nvidia in value at the lower mid range. Destroying them even. And, I believe they will do exactly the same if they decide to continue and come up with faster GPUs. At which point both of these greedy f*****s will have no choice but to lower their prices.
Looking at 4070 sales? I think a lot of people are working that out now. So massive kudos to all of the content creators who are now pointing out the VRAM problems and so on.
KingNosser
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oh i'm not saying amd isn't making as much money on each card, but you can't say they aren't cheaper, they could have made a halo card but why make something most won't buy.
they are companys with a GDP margin be it 65% or lower it's what they will do, they aren't charitys they only want your money and happy share holders, if you think Intel are going to be any different and i've said it before to you, then your going to be sorely mistaken.
sure intels low end card atm is at a decent price, but like i said to you i'd rather have a 6700XT give it time they have only just entered the market but to ever think it's going to reshape it is BS, they want into the market why ? MONEY so expect them to squeeze every ounce they can for whichever product they can fit into the stack.
they are all greedy, just some are better products than others.
as for features that they are lacking in regards to nvidia, FSR3 is about the only thing outside of dlss3 that matters to most anyone, you have a few amd cards so exactly what features are you talking about better DXR performance don't worry they all sort it out in time, it's just nvidia has a massive budget and even Intel is going to struggle, but there your set on them being the hero.
just look at the price difference between Intel and AMD at the low end they are similar, Intel are not doing as well as your portraying neither on price or performance, takes moments to google the prices and performance across all three.
https://youtu.be/lc7uGHiohiU
they are companys with a GDP margin be it 65% or lower it's what they will do, they aren't charitys they only want your money and happy share holders, if you think Intel are going to be any different and i've said it before to you, then your going to be sorely mistaken.
sure intels low end card atm is at a decent price, but like i said to you i'd rather have a 6700XT give it time they have only just entered the market but to ever think it's going to reshape it is BS, they want into the market why ? MONEY so expect them to squeeze every ounce they can for whichever product they can fit into the stack.
they are all greedy, just some are better products than others.
as for features that they are lacking in regards to nvidia, FSR3 is about the only thing outside of dlss3 that matters to most anyone, you have a few amd cards so exactly what features are you talking about better DXR performance don't worry they all sort it out in time, it's just nvidia has a massive budget and even Intel is going to struggle, but there your set on them being the hero.
just look at the price difference between Intel and AMD at the low end they are similar, Intel are not doing as well as your portraying neither on price or performance, takes moments to google the prices and performance across all three.
https://youtu.be/lc7uGHiohiU
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