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Old 22-05-20, 04:14 PM
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AMD reportedly planning to release Ryzen 7 3750X and 3850X "Mattise Refresh" CPUs

Ryzen 7, but faster.



Read more about AMD's rumoured Ryzen 7 3750X and 3850X processors.

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Old 22-05-20, 06:45 PM
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They could have been cherry-picking good ones for this. Mainly so that Intel wouldn't have all the spotlight until Zen3.
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i don't understand this strategy.

Ryzen 4 is reportedly coming at the end of the year. But AMD wants to present two new cpus with slightly faster clocks while reducing prices on 3700x and 3800x.

I don't think people will pay launch prices of 3700x and 3800x for 3750x and 3850x for just a bit more core clock which buy no means will imply enough gains to justify buying these and not Ryzen 4.

If i were to buy this gen 3 ryzens, i would go for the cheapest 8 core i could get, and if 3700x goes with price cuts to get rid of them....that would be the go for.

soo....anyway, i will wait for ryzen 4 to update my system.
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i don't understand this strategy.

Ryzen 4 is reportedly coming at the end of the year. But AMD wants to present two new cpus with slightly faster clocks while reducing prices on 3700x and 3800x.

I don't think people will pay launch prices of 3700x and 3800x for 3750x and 3850x for just a bit more core clock which buy no means will imply enough gains to justify buying these and not Ryzen 4.

If i were to buy this gen 3 ryzens, i would go for the cheapest 8 core i could get, and if 3700x goes with price cuts to get rid of them....that would be the go for.

soo....anyway, i will wait for ryzen 4 to update my system.

Intel did the exact same with their 9900KS, AMD are just following suit.
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i don't understand this strategy.

Ryzen 4 is reportedly coming at the end of the year. But AMD wants to present two new cpus with slightly faster clocks while reducing prices on 3700x and 3800x.

I don't think people will pay launch prices of 3700x and 3800x for 3750x and 3850x for just a bit more core clock which buy no means will imply enough gains to justify buying these and not Ryzen 4.

If i were to buy this gen 3 ryzens, i would go for the cheapest 8 core i could get, and if 3700x goes with price cuts to get rid of them....that would be the go for.

soo....anyway, i will wait for ryzen 4 to update my system.
I understand what you're saying, but I think a refresh is perfectly reasonable given it's common practise from all three major hitters. And why not do it? AMD is trying to saturate the market with their processors. Giving those that held off on buying another option makes sense to me, even if in six months time a new CPU will replace it.

Realistically as well, Zen 3 isn't going to make a 3700X or 3750X rubbish. Those CPUs will still be better than Intel. Buying a Zen 2 CPU now is logical. If you can wait six months and want the extra performance of Zen 3, then wait. If you're not fussed and want something fast now, then buy either a cheap 3700X or a (rumoured) slightly faster, slightly pricier 3750X.
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I don't think AMD are trying to maintain high pricing. The fact is the 3700x isn't expensive. If anything these will just push the prices down on the lower tiered CPUs.

Any one with a brain large enough would avoid them any way, what with R3 coming this year. The article may be right, these may just boost higher for OEM rigs. That is where AMD need to launch an assault, not on us.
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I don't think AMD are trying to maintain high pricing. The fact is the 3700x isn't expensive. If anything these will just push the prices down on the lower tiered CPUs.

Any one with a brain large enough would avoid them any way, what with R3 coming this year. The article may be right, these may just boost higher for OEM rigs. That is where AMD need to launch an assault, not on us.
What? Why?
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Why buy an over priced refresh of the 3000 series with Zen 3 so close? Come on surely you know the answer to that.
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Why buy an over priced refresh of the 3000 series with Zen 3 so close? Come on surely you know the answer to that.
I'm sorry, but no. You literally bought an older, lower clock CPU just because it had more cores for less money. If a 3900X drops even lower in price, which is not unlikely, that's 12 cores for just over £300. Zen 3 might not offer 12 cores at £350 out the gate. It could be months before we'd see prices drop to those levels.

Some people don't need or care about additional IPC, as Zen 2 offers very competitive clock speeds and IPC. They need a powerful system at a bargain price that's stable now. I see nothing wrong with that.

What makes this refresh overpriced? It's overpriced if you replace your 3900X with a 3900XT, but no one is doing that. People who buy a 3900X at a reduced price or a 3900XT at retail price are two different camps of people, and in my eyes those people don't HAVE to wait for Zen 3 at all. Zen 2 is a perfectly good architecture. It's handily keeping up with Intel's latest and greatest while being almost a year old.

Zen 2 is also very stable at this point. It's not like buying an 1800X or 2700X months before Zen 2 comes out. Those CPUs performed fine, but they were unstable for a lot of people. Zen 2 fixed a lot of that.

Zen 3 doesn't look like it's going to increase core count or improve stability an enormous amount. It's going to introduce better PCI-e 4.0 compatability, 10-20% higher IPC, and around the same clock speeds. I don't see anything in that that makes Zen 2 "overpriced" or a bad buy.
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I'm a little confused here. Which CPU are you referring to? my 1920x? my 16 core Haswelll?

For the most part my hobby used to be running multiple OSes at once. For that you need cores. Each VM works far better if you dedicate cores to it. So for me I always bought the most highly threaded CPUs for the coin. Total overall speed did not come into the equation. You can't divide up what you don't have, basically.

I don't agree that people don't care about additional IPC. At all. If they did not care then Intel would not sell a single 10 series CPU. And yes, I am aware that a lot of that is down to clock speed but ATM Ryzen are nearly 1ghz behind Intel, which allows Intel to have higher IPC by clock speed and thus the best gaming performance. If AMD want to be the only choice (which is the only way they will ever get near to Intel) then they have to match or beat that. And they can't seem to do it with raw clock speed.

Back when the Tbird Athlons released there was absolutely NO REASON on this earth to buy Intel. Hotter, slower, more expensive. AMD took away every single reason you would want an Intel yet Intel P4s sold like hot cakes. This time around? AMD have the raw power of the internet and Youtube etc and people are far more convinced of Zen than they were of Tbird and so on.

When a company starts adding 50 to the CPU name it usually means the refresh was designed to generate a higher price for the same silicon. So for example AMD have had to drop their prices on the 3000 series Zen because they need to clearly and starkly undercut Intel (which they have by around £100) yet, Intel still hang on with their "Best CPUs for gaming".

I could be wrong about the point of these CPUs. Is it to maintain higher pricing? or is it simply to create more product to fill the small gaps and holes? IDK. But the way AMD are going with their high end pricing? we could be begging for Intel not to be crap.

There are no real stability issues with the 3000 series to speak of. I had absolutely none, once I had installed the latest BIOS. It's definitely their cleanest release thus far. Yes, you need to really dig into the settings to eek out every bit of your RAM speed and that takes some knowledge, but the info is all out there to find.

I also think you are underestimating Zen 3. When you throw around 10-20%? that is when you start matching and beating Intel territory. That is absolutely huge. Mostly because that is pretty much exactly how far AMD are behind @ 1080p. 5% or so every CPU at stock, 10-20% with both overclocked.

Now when you take that increase (and faster memory too ! and all of the new features) and you come up with a 16 core monster like the 3950x? it will be mind blowing.

I do have some insider info on Zen 3 and yeah, as I was told "If you buy an elite tier CPU when it launches nothing but nothing will touch it for at least two years".

I suppose what I meant when I typed that was I would rather buy just a 3700 or 3600 or what not at the prices they are now (or lower) than a jacked up price CPU on the same node. However, that does assume that they will be jacked up in price. However, if the 3700 and 3600 drop in price because of them? I would choose those.

It's already been shown that if you care only for gaming then the best bargain out there in the whole of PC universe right now is the 3600. Well, unless the 10400 comes in super cheap and or if you can get a cheap board for said 10400 because there ain't any costing £100 or less right now.

And that is another way AMD work out better. Not because the boards are overly cheaper, but because of the overall package. 3900x £410 give or take £10. Comes with a cooler, Intel costs £100-£120 more and doesn't. 3900x will run easily in a £100 B450 motherboard, Intel requires Z490 right now.
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