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Old 29-01-20, 11:59 AM
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AMD confirms that its Next-Gen RDNA architecture is coming in 2020

What did Lisa Su mean when she said "Refreshed"?



Read more about AMD's 2020 graphics card lineup.

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I imagine the 55/56/5700 GPU's will be refreshed in some capacity. Maybe they'll be moved down/up to the 7nm+ architecture and given a clock speed boost to compete with midrange Ampere. Don't know if that'd be financially sound, so they could just refresh them by dropping the prices.
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Old 29-01-20, 02:04 PM
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It looks like Tom's Hardware has changed its original article to basically restate what I said regarding what "refresh" means to different people and what it meant in this context.

Paul Alcorn has also deleted a few tweets which he made in response to me when I commented on this topic on Twitter. Fun times. Cool to know that my comments can cause Tom's Hardware to completely rework and article.
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Old 29-01-20, 02:17 PM
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I imagine the 55/56/5700 GPU's will be refreshed in some capacity. Maybe they'll be moved down/up to the 7nm+ architecture and given a clock speed boost to compete with midrange Ampere. Don't know if that'd be financially sound, so they could just refresh them by dropping the prices.
This is NOT what AMD is doing. AMD needs to push its next-gen RDNA architecture and its features and refreshing today's Navi cards would be a disaster if they bring raytracing to new cards.
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Well these days, everything she says becomes a hot topic. So even if you call this a play on words intentional or misinterpretted. You can see the news spreads like wild fire.

Lisa Su is the best thing that has happened to AMD for quite some time. She has a fantastic business mentality, and that is why her refreshed terminology means a great upcoming lineup of products, not rebrands.
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Old 29-01-20, 03:42 PM
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Well these days, everything she says becomes a hot topic. So even if you call this a play on words intentional or misinterpretted. You can see the news spreads like wild fire.

Lisa Su is the best thing that has happened to AMD for quite some time. She has a fantastic business mentality, and that is why her refreshed terminology means a great upcoming lineup of products, not rebrands.
It's a new era for AMD. They don't need to be in budget mode anymore, and their renewed profits have paid off most of their debts. The simple fact of the matter was that before now, AMD couldn't afford to make enough new silicon to not re-release/rebrand/refresh products.

Now AMD has enough bank to push thing, and the push for next-gen has helped AMD spend more on its graphics architecture with the help of Microsoft and Sony.

TBH, it would be hard to push today's cards out again if their next architecture promised raytracing and other major enhancements. They need parity with the next-gen console feature set or better.
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Yup they'll probably refresh this range, call them something else and then add the bigger cards?

Gawd knows.
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Old 29-01-20, 03:46 PM
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Yeah, there's a whole raft of patents published years ago that they've essentially already confirmed would see the light of day this year with the consoles, and there's always low hanging fruit for when transistor budgets increase with a new approach/arch, so it's essentially certain this years RDNA2 is at least going to be as large a change as say Pascal->Turing and probably more.

AMD know they have to make gains fast so I think anyone shocked that AMD might do a 1-year cycle just this time, with all the custom design wins they've secured for it, isn't paying attention imo. Yes these things are hard to do and yes they're exponentially more expensive in these time frames, but in many ways the whole department rests on this cycle and set of wins.

Not to say the chips in the 5500 or 5700 will be short lived, there's still a lot of room for them to live on in laptops, OEM designs, Mac's and other non-gaming focused spheres whether that's as rebrands, fab shrink refreshes, or just the same chips. But for gaming focused parts, it doesn't look like they're intending to stick in 2nd place without a fight.
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Well these days, everything she says becomes a hot topic. So even if you call this a play on words intentional or misinterpretted. You can see the news spreads like wild fire.

Lisa Su is the best thing that has happened to AMD for quite some time. She has a fantastic business mentality, and that is why her refreshed terminology means a great upcoming lineup of products, not rebrands.
She has a PhD in Electrical Engineering, so she has a deep understanding of the technology her company is making, giving her an insight that few other CEO's can match, and with her business skills, it's made her a powerful combo and probably one of the few people who could turn AMD around.
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She has a PhD in Electrical Engineering, so she has a deep understanding of the technology her company is making, giving her an insight that few other CEO's can match, and with her business skills, it's made her a powerful combo and probably one of the few people who could turn AMD around.
Its a rare talent to have such technical background and outstanding business practises like she has. There are many CEO with tech understanding or backgrounds, but they can never balance it as she does. It takes serious talent thats for sure.

Hate to say it, but Mr Ngreedia is the same. Perhaps it runs in the family

Only thing is that Nvidia's greed is what makes them unpopular. You can't fault their tech really. except maybe the 3.5gb memory fiasco
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