Microsoft reveals the Xbox Series X's hardware specs

Serious stuff. This could be the first time in decades where buying a console against a PC hardware-wise wouldn't be too dissimilar.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
Serious stuff. This could be the first time in decades where buying a console against a PC hardware-wise wouldn't be too dissimilar.
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Interesting implications for Next-Gen RDNA too. VRS and Hardware raytracing. Also another sign that performance/TFLOP will also increase. Great news for AMD.
 
Doubt it'll be the most powerful. Both will be using Zen2 and RDNA.

Gonna be a repeat of this gen. Hardly a difference. Going to come down to the games. And Sony has far surpassed Xbox here.
 
A lot can still come down to hardware design and specs differences. The PS4 was helped a lot by its stronger graphics and use of GDDR5 memory. MS made a mistake investing in ESRAM and fewer GPU cores/stream processors with GDDR5.

With the Xbox One X, Microsoft did a lot of things that Sony didn't with the PS4 Pro. A lot could still come down to customisations, baseline specifications and other factors. I can see Microsoft being smarter with the hardware design this time.

Yes, PS4 did have the best exclusives, but Sony also had the strongest console, which give them a lot of good press at launch. If all multi-platform games look better on one console, it will help that console get sales.

TBH I don't know who will win next-gen, but Microsoft is setting themselves up well with Backwards compatibility, Xbox Game Pass and hardware like the adaptive controller. They have set themselves up as the "good guys" moving into next-gen.
 
What it looks like doesn't matter to me.

Sony's front end is terrible. I put my white PS4 slim to work at my mother's but so much is missing from the store that it's not even a good media unit.

With the prices no doubt going up I expect more than just a gaming device. And when it comes to OS, even though it's had some hiccups Microsoft win with their store and very clean os.

And it could literally come down to that. If it looks hideous I'd simply hide it lol.
 
By the time they release it hardware will probably be behind the PC. They can cope for some time with software optimizations. What they need to do is to shorten the release cycle. It needs to be 3 not 7 years. If AMD keeps pushing like they are now, Intel gets their baring right, and in 2 years we could possibly have 3 GPU competitors.... In 7 years this console hardware would be like Game Boy is to today's computers.
 
WYP said:
A lot can still come down to hardware design and specs differences. The PS4 was helped a lot by its stronger graphics and use of GDDR5 memory. MS made a mistake investing in ESRAM and fewer GPU cores/stream processors with GDDR5.

With the Xbox One X, Microsoft did a lot of things that Sony didn't with the PS4 Pro. A lot could still come down to customisations, baseline specifications and other factors. I can see Microsoft being smarter with the hardware design this time.

Yes, PS4 did have the best exclusives, but Sony also had the strongest console, which give them a lot of good press at launch. If all multi-platform games look better on one console, it will help that console get sales.

TBH I don't know who will win next-gen, but Microsoft is setting themselves up well with Backwards compatibility, Xbox Game Pass and hardware like the adaptive controller. They have set themselves up as the "good guys" moving into next-gen.
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The difference in power was not the factor for winning.

It came down to MS being anti-consumer, or at least moreso, then Sony. Sony was so far pro-consumer and the ability to share games with other accounts on your console, it singlehandedly won the generation. MS fixed that but to late.

It was NOT down the fact Ps4 could do 1080p30 vs 900p30. It was merely a plus over the best feature Sony offered.

Games didn't help win Sony the generation until a few years and MS released poor IP and just gave up. Again Sony won the moment Xbox finished it's initial reveal a few months later. It had it on price, game share, and power(again for cheaper). The internet exploded with rage at MS after that reveal. All Sony had to do was not screw it up, sit quiet, and release the cheaper console.


It'll come down to both consoles doing 4k60 and the minor graphic difference in terms of visual eye candy.

What will win this gen is who does more outside of the graphics department, most importantly games. Sony already has 100m PS4 units sold and TONS of IP that was successful. That momentum shouldn't be underestimated. However if that all Sony brings to the table it will be 50/50 if they are more successful. If MS blow it out of the water on other nongaming features, it'll be a tough sell.


Of course, it all depends on the price.
 
NeverBackDown said:
The difference in power was not the factor for winning.

It came down to MS being anti-consumer, or at least moreso, then Sony. Sony was so far pro-consumer and the ability to share games with other accounts on your console, it singlehandedly won the generation. MS fixed that but to late.

It was NOT down the fact Ps4 could do 1080p30 vs 900p30. It was merely a plus over the best feature Sony offered.

Games didn't help win Sony the generation until a few years and MS released poor IP and just gave up. Again Sony won the moment Xbox finished it's initial reveal a few months later. It had it on price, game share, and power(again for cheaper). The internet exploded with rage at MS after that reveal. All Sony had to do was not screw it up, sit quiet, and release the cheaper console.


It'll come down to both consoles doing 4k60 and the minor graphic difference in terms of visual eye candy.

What will win this gen is who does more outside of the graphics department, most importantly games. Sony already has 100m PS4 units sold and TONS of IP that was successful. That momentum shouldn't be underestimated. However if that all Sony brings to the table it will be 50/50 if they are more successful. If MS blow it out of the water on other nongaming features, it'll be a tough sell.


Of course, it all depends on the price.
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All I'm saying is that Sony had the hardware advantage. Hell, they had basically every advantage going into this gen.

Microsoft had attempted their DRM/anti-consumer nonsense and then released a console that was more expensive and less powerful than its rival. Sony had all of the advantages moving into this gen, and their better 1st party games helped seal the deal after a few years. A lot of factors contributed to Sony's success, and hardware design was one of them.

Hardware matters, but so does all the other factors. I'm just saying that hardware is a slice of that pie. If a console consistently looks better than its rival, that's an advantage, and you won't convince me that that isn't a big deal. If it wasn't the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X wouldn't exist.

Microsoft made all of the mistakes moving into the Xbox One Generation, and Sony needs to make sure they don't do the same this gen.

There is no "the factor for winning", it is a lot of factors that add up or counterbalance one another.
 
Yeah forcing Kinect with Xbox Ones really killed early sales, demolished their ability tio compete on price/perf by forcing a feature no one wanted, and that's what sets up the rest of the gen really. By the time of release Mcrosofts DRM situation was no different from Sony's really.

Imo the next gen will be decided heavily on who can transition better, if Sony come out with only a £500 console and no forwards compatibility for the PS4 then their market will fragment heavily, if both companies have decided on expensive initial consoles they have to be sure their new releases work on the previous gen too, if someone already owns an exhaustive library of games for their next gen consoles then the biggest issue of new consoles is gone.
 
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I got my one x first. I got used to it in seconds, due to my experience with windows.

Then I got a PS4 pro and the os is actually terrible. The PS3 one looked better.

And that is why the Xbox one did so well. Power isn't everything, especially if you don't exploit it. At least with the 1x you really get to see and use that extra horsepower.
 
This is how I know you dislike PS and are just biased.

PS3 and PS4 OS UI/UX design is 90% the same.

It is universally regarded the PS UI is far superior. Xbox is just awful, slow, and clunky. If you need the One X to make it NOT slow, goes to show the awful optimization.

And yes. I play on both. For me it's PS hands down. I think Steam is a superior experience than Xbox. And the new Steam UI is atrocious.

I seriously hope the new Xbox UI is overhauled. I'd like to get it eventually. Though if they keep releasing Xbox/PC for their IP then maybe not. Kinda just depends on Halo if the games are good ports. Forza is already PC so just Halo left for me.
 
I'm biased but own two PS4? Come on, now you're reaching. Why would I spend £600 on two consoles I hate, and a VR headset?

SRS.

I never owned a PS3 but have seen vids of the front end and it just looks nicer. However , by your own submission you've said it's the same, so that gives support to my observation. IE - it's dated.

I can't make it do things it can't. That's its own faults. Like how every device I own, even a £30 Amazon stick, can run apps for all of the major TV channels here in the UK all apart from the PS4.

Now sure I don't ever in a million years expect them to even come close to Microsoft because well, Microsoft, but closer would suffice.

BTW I just spent the entire evening completing TLOU remastered, that's how much I hate the PS4.

It's terrible. Absolute garbage (sarcasm).
 
I'd agree with Alien on the better Ui I find Xbox easier to navigate.
I think Sony have an advantage with their already established exclusives all they need do is release TLOU 2 and another Spider-man or HZD 2.
Though the backwards compatibility is a good thing and x-cloud game pass makes Xbox an option not to be sneezed at
 
NeverBackDown said:
Going to come down to the games. And Sony has far surpassed Xbox here.
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Yup. It's always down to games. If it weren't, Nintendo wouldn't have survived as long as it has with their underpowered console. And out of all the consoles, Sony's exclusives are the most exciting.
 
ImprovizoR said:
Yup. It's always down to games. If it weren't, Nintendo wouldn't have survived as long as it has with their underpowered console. And out of all the consoles, Sony's exclusives are the most exciting.
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Yup, will always come down to games for me.

I PC main but still love my PS4, as without it I'd have missed out on GoW, HZD etc.
 
Ngl the one thing that's stopped me from getting too interested in PS4 exclusives is that Nintendo are still release genre-topping exclusives for sp games. Never owned any but spent thousands of hours on PS4 and Xbox and I have to agree with the UI statements above, PS4 did feel like a step back from PS3 for me in snappyness and simplicity, Xbox also has a lot more features and codec support esp for media playback. Besides that there's not a whole lot between them, I feel like whether you prefer Xbox or Sony exclusives depends on whether you prefer online or single player experiences though, if just out of those two. Personally I probably spent more hours on Xbox for Halo and Forza and such but my single player needs were satisfied with Zelda (gotd) and Mario and such already.
 
Of all of the PS4 exclusives the only one I'd have been heart broken to miss is the last of us remastered.

It's simply breathtaking.

However, I'm hopeful that my pro will be up to running the sequel and if so it'll be Xbox for me first.

I'm going to start god of war soon so hey, that might even turn into two reasons.
 
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