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Old 02-07-19, 01:01 PM
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Nvidia RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super Review

Nvidia has updated their super popular RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 cards, so naturally we had to put them through their paces.



Read more about Nvidia's RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 Super graphics cards.

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Old 03-07-19, 09:56 AM
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that have set the market alight with their excellent combination of performance and price point
are you trolling us or did you say that with a straight face?

the performance increase (compared with other generational updates) was not good and the price was certainly not good.

you might want to watch what other youtubers and people who are not nvidia fanboys had to say about the initial RTX release.

i know OC3D was back then all hyped about RTX and these overpriced cards.
when others were way more critical.

but reality must set in at some point!?

not to mention that RTX is still a gimmick barely used in games.



the super cards are what should have been release in the first place (for the asked price).
i feel bad for the people who bought a 2060, 2070 or 2080 RTX card.

this update makes them look like guinea pigs.... or better say cows to be milked.


yes they had RTX for a few month now (and i am sure would not have missed it).


kudos to nvidia... their marketing department sure knows how handle the majority of gamers.





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nah you sure must be trolling us.....
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Old 03-07-19, 10:17 AM
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Despite the controversy in the usual overly angry circles, Turing cards performed well on market and past the RTX2060's release had a pretty warm reception amongst the mainstream. They've without a doubt had a significant impact on increasing the penetration of DXR amongst both developers and consumers with every modern game engine now in the process of implementing realtime-raytracing, all those who called raytracing a gimmick that would go the way of PhysX or whatever were flatly wrong(But those comparisons were way off the mark anyway).
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Old 03-07-19, 10:28 AM
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Despite the controversy in the usual overly angry circles, Turing cards performed well on market and past the RTX2060's release had a pretty warm reception amongst the mainstream.

yeah kudos to the nvidia marketing as i wrote.

but sure not because the RTX cards are such great value.
the RTX 2060 be the best out of the bunch i agree with that.


90% i know who have a clue about GPU´s in the press had some critical words to say about the RTX release.



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They've without a doubt had a significant impact on increasing the penetration of DXR amongst both developers and consumers with every modern game engine now in the process of implementing realtime-raytracing
i could buy a tesla years ago.
unfortunately there was no supercharger to be seen here.
i did not want a car that i can only charge in my own garage.


did i buy a tesla and put it my garage without any real use for it.... no.

it made no sense to buy a tesla back then when there was no infrastructure to support electric cars.


today that changed. it is still not perfect but my tesla know makes way more sense.
and i even got a better model.

raytracing cards are a bit like that.

the people who bought into the hype sure paved the way for me to enjoy RTX next year.

but that does not change a thing about the cards being overpriced.
people may not care about that and i understand, i pay way too much for some stuff too.
but i am not searching for excuses. i know it´s kind of a rip off.
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Old 03-07-19, 10:43 AM
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yeah kudos to the nvida marketing as i wrote.

but sure not because the cards are such great value.
the RTX 2060 be the best out of the bunch i agree with that.



90% i know who have a clue about GPU´s in the press had some critical words to say about the RTX release.
Most of those dissipated after launch I think once the cards started dropping in price. Lets not forget the GTX1660/Ti are also Turing cards that have been incredibly popular.


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i could buy a tesla years ago.
unfortunately there was no supercharger to be seen here.
raytracing is a bit like that.

the people who bought into the hype sure paved the way for me to enjoy RTX next year.

but that does not change a thing about the cards being overpriced.
You're describing literally every revolutionary(IE requiring infrastructure changes) piece of technology ever made, new tech is expensive, Turing cards were expensive to produce, on a per-mm^2 of silicon/raw materials basis Turing was actually better value than Pascal. People who paid a lot for a Tesla years ago didn't get bad value on their purchase, because there was nothing comparable for that money at the time.

You can't use future tech to say current tech is bad value(Nor can you use current tech that doesn't actually do the same things), because then literally all tech ever made is bad value because something in the future will be better. "Just wait", but how long for till it "makes sense"? Time is invaluable to some people, particularly tech enthusiasts, if everyone waited till things became mainstream, progressive tech would never actually become mainstream. Catch 22.
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Old 03-07-19, 10:52 AM
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i could buy a tesla years ago.
unfortunately there was no supercharger to be seen here.
i did not want a car that i can only charge in my own garage.


did i buy a tesla and put it my garage without any real use for it.... no.

it made no sense to buy a tesla back then when there was no infrastructure to support electric cars.



today that changed. it is still not perfect but my tesla know makes way more sense.
and i even got a better model.

raytracing cards are a bit like that.

the people who bought into the hype sure paved the way for me to enjoy RTX next year.

but that does not change a thing about the cards being overpriced.
Then clearly you have not looked outside your own country. Buying a tesla back when it was uncommon was a genius move. No tax, no toll prices, free parking, the list goes on. Governments had no idea how to treat them in that respect and so they paid for themselves in such a short time, as well as held their value strongly.

Now, they are more expensive, yes but and Govs have found ways to tax them. As well as being popular enough that they lose value more than ever. So not the greatest example there... sorry.

New tech is new tech. its costly and wasn't mature. But there was an infrastructure here for sure.

I get your point, but the example just wasn't the greatest to use.
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Old 03-07-19, 05:20 PM
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Then clearly you have not looked outside your own country. Buying a tesla back when it was uncommon was a genius move. I get your point, but the example just wasn't the greatest to use.

of course i am talking about me. for an eskimo it is probably still a stupid idea to buy a tesla.


RTX owner are ALL in the same spot.
they all have no supercharger to make it really useful.... so to speak.

so yes there is a difference to my example. does it make a difference.... not really.


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Now, they are more expensive, yes but and Govs have found ways to tax them. As well as being popular enough that they lose value more than ever. So not the greatest example there... sorry.
did you get a tax cut with your RTX card? (if you own one)


there was no genius to buy into RTX early...
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Old 03-07-19, 05:34 PM
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You can't use future tech to say current tech is bad value(Nor can you use current tech that doesn't actually do the same things), because then literally all tech ever made is bad value because something in the future will be better. "Just wait", but how long for till it "makes sense"? Time is invaluable to some people, particularly tech enthusiasts, if everyone waited till things became mainstream, progressive tech would never actually become mainstream. Catch 22.

tell that people who bought into betamax.

not that i am saying raytracing will go the way of the dodo.




really you repeat the mantra of the marketing departments pretty good.

but there is more to it then that. i buy into new stuff when it makes sense for me. not to support the R&D of companys.

i am all for RTX... when it is actually supported and the cards are powerfull enough to make real use of it.


i use 3d max and vray and RTX would even have some benefit for me right now.


https://www.chaosgroup.com/blog/prof...idia-rtx-cards



it is just that i giggle and let others pay the price....

i would bite my own ass if i had bought into RTX earlier.




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gamer?



are we talking gaming cards or quadro cards now?


because the quadro cards, as expensive as they are, i KNOW from experience they have added value.
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Old 03-07-19, 07:12 PM
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Yeah, I'm not, and never have been, an early adopter(My gaming rig is 7 years old), but as an engineer in this field I know for a fact that early adopters are fundamental part of technological progress in our current economic system, they prove to the clueless investors(Who are unfortunately absolutely critical to the success of any major project) what things the mainstream want and where the capital should go, and allow that tech to mature into a mainstream product. Early adopters know what they're getting into, the idea these people are stupid or foolishly just paying a premium out of lack of patience is a childish, counter-productive mentality. People can buy what they like, we only have a finite amount of time on this Earth and it can end at any time, the idea that people should perpetually wait for things to get cheaper doesn't fit into how life works. Anyone can assign value to whatever they like and if that assignment of value speeds up technological progress(And no, it's not a marketing department claim, this is just basic economics; money talks) then power to them. At the end of the day, the value here comes from which applications you use, which games you play, how you play them, how much you play them, what upcoming games you want, when you need to upgrade your rig, how much value you assign to gaming or your work if applicable, and all sorts of other questions none of us can answer for other people.
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Were AMD actually quoted as saying Radeon VII will remain their high-end card for a long time or was that just our guess? Because the RTX 2070 Super is cheaper and more efficient and is only about 4% slower on average. It has less VRAM, but I don't think 8GB is a problem for most applications. And it's on an older process. I know that's not everything and Radeon VII is technically a smaller chip and an older architecture, but still.
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