AMD Reveals their Radeon VII GPU - The First 7nm Gaming GPU
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
On par or better than a 2080 ? Damn that's impressive especially at $100 less.
ImprovizoR
Active member
I like their choice for naming the card. It puts the main selling point up front without being douchy about it like Nvidia was with RTX.
Darkdayzzz
New member
This is exactly what I want to see from AMD honestly. Good solid FPS battling with NVIDIA and on equal terms!
I'd still get a 2080 however for the RT/DLSS features...unless AMD has some unannounced component that will achieve the same principle (I could be unaware of it as well
). The choice isn't cuz I'm biased toward one company or the other but I'd rather get the RT/DLSS capable card simply to use that feature if I choose to - just how I am is all.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
I've heard rumours that there's going to be an 8GB version from AIB partners that will be cheaper. Source is from Gibbo on OCUK apparently. If it's true, and the price drops from $700 to $600 (not unreasonable), that's not a terrible buy. I mean, no DLSS but it does have Vulkan performance benefits and there are more Vulkan-supported titles than there are DLSS-supported titles and it's possible we'll see more Vulkan down the line.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Super excited about this. Good on AMD. They needed 7nm bad to compete in the GPU department. Although when looking at it from an objective standpoint it is quite telling that Nvidia can compete/out compete AMD at 12nm rather than 7nm. Which is quite a big difference since they both use TSMC. All that money makes a difference.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
This is exactly what I want to see from AMD honestly. Good solid FPS battling with NVIDIA and on equal terms!
I'd still get a 2080 however for the RT/DLSS features...unless AMD has some unannounced component that will achieve the same principle (I could be unaware of it as well
In the trailer for it from AMD they for some reason show a person standing in a street with reflective water for like 3 seconds and then it fades to the AMD logo, Could be AMD's RT.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I doubt AMD will support RT. It's a 2nd gen Vega die, I would be shocked if they radically changed design and added some form of instruction set to boost RT calculation.
Although it's been like what 3 years since Vega launched, so it's possible.
From what I've read so far the original Vega 64 has
Stream Processors: 4096
Compute Units: 64
Vega VII has
Stream Processors: 3840
Compute Units: 60
It would be great if in some far out crazy world they pulled an Nvidia style move with a Vega VII + or something to beat a RTX 2080ti.
Anyway it's great to see them bringing some competition and such a powerful card to market for us all and I cannot wait for the reviews.
Stream Processors: 4096
Compute Units: 64
Vega VII has
Stream Processors: 3840
Compute Units: 60
It would be great if in some far out crazy world they pulled an Nvidia style move with a Vega VII + or something to beat a RTX 2080ti.
Anyway it's great to see them bringing some competition and such a powerful card to market for us all and I cannot wait for the reviews.
25% better performance at same power is regarding 7nm over 14nm, not including any performance/efficiency gains from architectural improvements. VegaII was already confirmed as having an expanded instruction set over Vega1, thoug mostly for AI/ML purposes, and the rumors of an 8GB card were just speculations rather than anything from an industry source, personally I don't believe an 8GB card is even possible, given we already know VegaII uses 4 HBM2 banks and a correspondingly wider bus width to achieve that memory bandwidth rather than the two of Vega1.
demonking
New member
They have been really smart about this. 16gb of HBM2, lets call it on par with the 2080 in non RT scenarios and a good release price. If they decide to refresh this in a year and add more CU's or better power management or both they will be able to release a competitive product against almost anything that comes out in the near future. I bet they have good margins on these as well so will be able to bring the price down after Nvidia do the same. Well played first release in a while that i haven't seen as a bigger negative than positive 
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ImprovizoR
Active member
I too am glad that they're learning. It's tough for newbies who've been in this industry for such a short period of time, lol.They have been really smart about this. 16gb of HBM2, lets call it on par with the 2080 in non RT scenarios and a good release price. If they decide to refresh this in a year and add more CU's or better power management or both they will be able to release a competitive product against almost anything that comes out in the near future. I bet they have good margins on these as well so will be able to bring the price down after Nvidia do the same. Well played first release in a while that i haven't seen as a bigger negative than positive
Or if I'm being serious, they shouldn't have allowed themselves to get so outplayed and outmatched by Nvidia in the first place.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Not entirely a fair argument. AMD was competing in 2 markets and had to split R&D and they had a Fab to run. Extremely expensive. They were at times ahead of both but eventually running into cash issues they had to sell the Fab(now GloFo). It helped and they released the 5xxx series that was better than Nvidia but eventually running into cash issues again they fell behind. They now have caught up if not surpassed Intel very quickly, they are now going to be able to start again in the GPU space.
Also remember while AMD had to split money into consumer markets, they also had to still spend money in other markets like HPC, Server, etc which meant splitting money into so many markets if affected the R&D.
AlienALX
Well-known member
I like it, but I'm a bit disappointed with the price. I would have really preferred AMD to take a harder 'shot across the bow' at Nvidia that way, but I understand why they didn't. Competition is good, even if we still overpay through the nose.
16gb HBM2 will have a lot to do with that, plus the triple fan alu cooler. I wouldn't want the card as a blower though, tbh. Hopefully even the plastic cheap one (if there is one) will have a triple fan cooler. It will need it..
I think for better or for worse AMD just have to stick with Vega/Fury etc until the end now. Then rethink and start firing and hiring.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
This is a definite purchase for me but I'm going to give it a 6 months for prices to stabilize and go down slightly.
They did always mention content creation first and foremost in the stream as the cards target market, with gaming being a "here's what it can also do" after, presumably because of the 16GB of VRAM. I think the main area that will excel from that in gaming is with 4K+ setups, especially if using CFX, for anything else I don't think this will be particularly greatly positioned because of the necessitated cost of that HBM and the fewer benefits from it at lower resolutions.
Maybe they'll do a cut down version with half the bus disabled/half the memory and a portion of the cores for Vega1 speeds at lower power consumption down the line once Vega1 stocks are mostly gone.
(And presumably the workstation variant of this card will have 32GB options using double(8-hi?) height stacks and another 4CUs if they kept the full cut at 64)
Maybe they'll do a cut down version with half the bus disabled/half the memory and a portion of the cores for Vega1 speeds at lower power consumption down the line once Vega1 stocks are mostly gone.
(And presumably the workstation variant of this card will have 32GB options using double(8-hi?) height stacks and another 4CUs if they kept the full cut at 64)
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