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Old 19-10-18, 04:29 PM
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Nvidia lists GDDR5X GTX 1060 on their UK/US websites

Are GDDR5X GTX 1060 GPUs on the way?



Read more about Nvidia listing their 6GB GTX 1060 with GDDR5X memory support.

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Old 19-10-18, 06:13 PM
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Well this would just confirm that Pascal ain't leaving soon
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They have to have something for people who haven't fallen for RTX.

I mean let's face it, you're not ray tracing anything ATM.
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Old 21-10-18, 10:36 AM
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Faster memory can seriously bump the performance. Especially with high res textures. With AMD constantly re-releasing Polaris cards Nvidia is probably seeking to be dominant in all segments of the market. Ofc the price needs to be adequate.
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Old 21-10-18, 12:32 PM
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Faster memory can seriously bump the performance. Especially with high res textures. With AMD constantly re-releasing Polaris cards Nvidia is probably seeking to be dominant in all segments of the market. Ofc the price needs to be adequate.
The GTX1060 was never bandwidth starved, and models with boosts in memory bandwidth rarely offered much, if any, additional performance. Hence why the GTX1070 and 1070Ti both forego GDDR5X memory.

This is a way to shift excess stock. Use the freshly killed off memory(RTX models have already "replaced" all the GDDR5X 1000 models) and the dies from the most popular 1000 series card and shift all the soon-to-be-dead stock with some clever marketing, crowning this card the "fastest" GTX card in production, even if it'll likely be a few percent difference.

FWIW, Polaris only had to go through a generation rebranding because of the mining craze. The GTX1060 is actually older than all of Polaris's cards. Nowadays in the UK you can often find second hand Polaris cards a lot cheaper than Pascal cards, while performing slightly better in most modern games, and having much better frame times in particular across the board. For a well-read budget gamer, I'm not sure there's really still a value proposition for the GTX1060. I think these cards will almost certainly come with a price bump intended to put it closer to the massive no-mans land of pricing targets they've created with the RTX launch.
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Old 21-10-18, 03:24 PM
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The GTX1060 was never bandwidth starved, and models with boosts in memory bandwidth rarely offered much, if any, additional performance. Hence why the GTX1070 and 1070Ti both forego GDDR5X memory.

This is a way to shift excess stock. Use the freshly killed off memory(RTX models have already "replaced" all the GDDR5X 1000 models) and the dies from the most popular 1000 series card and shift all the soon-to-be-dead stock with some clever marketing, crowning this card the "fastest" GTX card in production, even if it'll likely be a few percent difference.

FWIW, Polaris only had to go through a generation rebranding because of the mining craze. The GTX1060 is actually older than all of Polaris's cards. Nowadays in the UK you can often find second hand Polaris cards a lot cheaper than Pascal cards, while performing slightly better in most modern games, and having much better frame times in particular across the board. For a well-read budget gamer, I'm not sure there's really still a value proposition for the GTX1060. I think these cards will almost certainly come with a price bump intended to put it closer to the massive no-mans land of pricing targets they've created with the RTX launch.
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They have to have something for people who haven't fallen for RTX.

I mean let's face it, you're not ray tracing anything ATM.
But the GTX 1060 is nowhere near the class of current Turing. If you're genuinely in the class of Turing, a brand-new and highly advanced architecture, you're not going to say, 'Ahhhh well, I can't quite afford £600 for an RTX 2070 so I'm going to buy a £300 GTX 1060 (Ti) instead that's only slightly faster than the cheaper RX 580 or original GTX 1060.' You don't fall off the Turing hype to buy a two year-old midrange GPU. You buy a used GTX 1080 or a discounted 1070Ti.
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Old 21-10-18, 03:27 PM
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But the GTX 1060 is nowhere near the class of current Turing.
Nope but then neither will 99% of gamers be, either.

2080Ti etc are all very exciting but no company can make it on stuff like that alone. They need their bread and butter cards, hence the leftovers of the 1060 cores with faster memory to make them more enticing, and or more expensive.

Think about how many kids play Fortnite etc. What do they play on? 1060s or worse.



See what I mean, jellybean?
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Nope but then neither will 99% of gamers either.

2080Ti etc are all very exciting but no company can make it on stuff like that alone. They need their bread and butter cards, hence the leftovers of the 1060 cores with faster memory to make them more enticing, and or more expensive.

Think about how many kids play Fortnite etc. What do they play on? 1060s or worse.



See what I mean, jellybean?
I don't really see what you mean. You said that people will need the GTX 1060 with GDDR5X because they haven't fallen for RTX. Not only is RTX only going to be available for the 2070 class and above, which is not the same class as the 1060, but the 1060 is totally outmatched by every Turing card currently available in almost every way. So it's like saying, 'I'm not buying into this £200k Tesla self-driving stuff so I'm going to buy a Citroen C2 instead.' They're in completely different classes. One driver wouldn't be considering the other.
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That the case may be, but the facts tell a different story. I don't disagree with you on what you say (about how advanced Turing is etc) but back here in reality land people are buying 1060s, regardless.

And it's easy to see why - price. LOL if I had gone to my mother 30 years ago and asked for £1500 for a GPU she'd have laughed in my face. I was lucky enough to get a SNES on tick from the catalogue she ran (so she got a hefty discount and could pay it monthly).

Enthusiasts sometimes find it hard to see the wood for the trees (I include myself in that, recently having spent around £500 on lighting and cooling) but the fact is that most people are rocking a locked I3 or the equivalent now (add AMD to that) with a 1050 or slightly better. That is a modern PC gamer, and they are all playing Fortnite and PUBG.

I am currently helping my mate's kid plan a PC, and he has gone for the Ryzen 1200? and a 1060 tops. And it's taking him months just to save for that...

Seriously, look how many Nvidia cards there are in that list with "60" in them. That is because in reality that is what people are actually buying.

You want the top end? sure, it's there - with a price. That means a very small number of actual owners *and* owners who are daft enough to pay Ray Tracing tax (but here's the kicker !) without any actual Ray Tracing pmsl.

And due to those circumstances that number of people (and thus overall PC gamers) is very, very low. And you will have issues with coders catering for you and ETC all of the things I've been whining about over the past year since something snapped and I just couldn't be arsed to care any more.

I've realised that what I had was already more than I could ever need (I mean 14 cores? really?) and that I should just spend my money on tat making it look tacky.

Beats wasting cash on non existent RT, that is for sure.
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But that wasn't what I was disagreeing with. It's true that the largest market of gamers are rocking 1060-class GPUs with i5's and the ilk, playing Fornite and CSGO. But these people aren't rocking 1060-class GPUs and i5's after seeing the price and features of Turing and saying,' Well, dang it, I'm £500 short'. That just sounds like a random attack against Turing when your point has no bearing on Turing. Turing and 16 year-old Fortnite players should not be put in the same sentence. Why attack Turing when it is in a completely different class and is not marketed towards 'Fortnite teens'? We don't give TR2 a hard time for those reasons.
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