Nvidia challenges AIB partners - Founders Edition GPUs will be factory overclocked

Hang on.



Overclocking is something that is done to a product after it leaves the manufacturers hands. You make it go faster than intended; from this comes the term "Over".


Aftermarket cards can be Overclocked by EVGA/MSI/ASUS since they are "Over" the specs from the manufacturer (Nvidia). And any card can be Overclocked by the end user.


But the manufacturer CANNOT overclock their own creation. It is simply against the definition of the word. A founders Edition just runs at the speed is does and is built for. In this case, perhaps by using binned chips. But they are not overclocked. Rather the chips given to others are then simply of lower quality - or "underclocked".
 
MiNo said:
Hang on.



Overclocking is something that is done to a product after it leaves the manufacturers hands. You make it go faster than intended; from this comes the term "Over".


Aftermarket cards can be Overclocked by EVGA/MSI/ASUS since they are "Over" the specs from the manufacturer (Nvidia). And any card can be Overclocked by the end user.


But the manufacturer CANNOT overclock their own creation. It is simply against the definition of the word. A founders Edition just runs at the speed is does and is built for. In this case, perhaps by using binned chips. But they are not overclocked. Rather the chips given to others are then simply of lower quality - or "underclocked".
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Well, Nvidia's Founders Editions are not "Reference" designs anymore.

Nvidia now makes a "Reference" design for others to follow and surpasses it with their new models. I see your point, but TBH it is arguing semantics. AMD did similar things with their air-cooled and water-cooled Vega 64 GPUs, both were AMD designs but one performs better. Both could be considered reference models.

With Nvidia's new Founders Edition cards we now have a situation where some AIB models could offer lower performance levels than Nvidia Founders model.
 
MiNo said:
I agree, but feel it relevant still. Else almost any improvement to any product can be called overclocking / tuning or something like that. The term then looses its meaning.
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It has been going on for years. Gigabyte's SOC "Super over clocked". EVGA do it too. Superclock and etc were names they used for years.

In its rawest definition no it isn't overclocking, but technically it is. And so is Turbo boost on CPUs and etc. They all raise the clocks and lower them accordingly.

The new Strix has OC on the box large in white. So don't blame the end user for getting confused ;)
 
AlienALX said:
It has been going on for years. Gigabyte's SOC "Super over clocked". EVGA do it too. Superclock and etc were names they used for years.

In its rawest definition no it isn't overclocking, but technically it is. And so is Turbo boost on CPUs and etc. They all raise the clocks and lower them accordingly.

The new Strix has OC on the box large in white. So don't blame the end user for getting confused ;)
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That is pretty much the opposite of the point I was making. Please read the post again:-)


Nvidia : Cannot call their own stuff OC'd. They produce a card with chip that can run a given speed. No matter what, that is the 'product speed'. Nvidia cannot say a chip runs at "500" speed, but they make it run at "600" speed. That makes the "500" bogus, and "600" become the norm. By running it at "600", that then becomes the 'spec' of that chip. Argh. Please understand :-)



EVGA/ASUS and the rest CAN. They get a chip, and make it run faster than Nvidia says it can. That is OC.
 
You can buy factory tuned cars as well :) As in Volvo Polestar kit for instance.
Now they are making it into its own sub brand, with a Polestar One electric car :)
 
MiNo said:
Nvidia : Cannot call their own stuff OC'd. They produce a card with chip that can run a given speed. No matter what, that is the 'product speed'. Nvidia cannot say a chip runs at "500" speed, but they make it run at "600" speed. That makes the "500" bogus, and "600" become the norm. By running it at "600", that then becomes the 'spec' of that chip. Argh. Please understand :-)

EVGA/ASUS and the rest CAN. They get a chip, and make it run faster than Nvidia says it can. That is OC.
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Yes NVIDIA can do it. Because they made a chip that is running at "500" speed and they will give that chip to AiB partners, and majority of cards will run at that speed. But if you buy it directly from NVIDIA they will give you binned chip that goes a bit higher.

It is possible that NVIDIA is keeping the best chips for themselves. That would be a d#cky move.
 
Avet said:
Yes NVIDIA can do it. Because they made a chip that is running at "500" speed and they will give that chip to AiB partners, and majority of cards will run at that speed. But if you buy it directly from NVIDIA they will give you binned chip that goes a bit higher.

It is possible that NVIDIA is keeping the best chips for themselves. That would be a d#cky move.
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That would be a d#cky move.

^ you mean a NVIDIA move like normal, or INTEL with their "special edition CPUs"
 
Darkdayzzz said:
That would be a d#cky move.

^ you mean a NVIDIA move like normal, or INTEL with their "special edition CPUs"
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NVIDIA had "questionable" strategy towards competition AMD, 3Dfx that is true, but never so much towards board partners. Now they are competing with them. That is bad... Because ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, and rest will loose a lot of money. The reason you bough AIB cards is because they were better than Reference cards. Now that might not be the case.
 
I don't think that it matters much; customers are often brand loyal. Those loyal to EVGA will likely buy that, etc.

Like Avet suggested, though, they may keep the best chips for themselves (which is their right; it's their own chip after all) - more likely than not.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
I don't think that it matters much; customers are often brand loyal. Those loyal to EVGA will likely buy that, etc.

Like Avet suggested, though, they may keep the best chips for themselves (which is their right; it's their own chip after all) - more likely than not.
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Brand loyalty will soften the blow.

If they were giving out candy, and then kipping the best for themselves yea it should be their right, but board partners are paying pretty penny for those chips, and they are being stabbed in the back.

I haven't seen NVIDIA cards at retailers. Just AIB ones. Maybe that is the compromise. You can buy NVIDIA cards only from NVIDIA and the rest from retailers.
 
Avet said:
Brand loyalty will soften the blow.

If they were giving out candy, and then kipping the best for themselves yea it should be their right, but board partners are paying pretty penny for those chips, and they are being stabbed in the back.

I haven't seen NVIDIA cards at retailers. Just AIB ones. Maybe that is the compromise. You can buy NVIDIA cards only from NVIDIA and the rest from retailers.
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I have to disagree: if I am selling apples from my orchard and want to keep some myself, I'm keeping the best ones, how much customers are paying is irrelevant, merely informative.
 
Nasty, but this is Nvidia. They will make sure they sell all of their Founders cards before the AIBPs even get a look in.
 
MiNo said:
Nvidia : Cannot call their own stuff OC'd. They produce a card with chip that can run a given speed.
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"Given speed"
They rate the chip at say 1500Mhz +- 5%.

If they choose to then sell a model they overclock at 1600Mhz, that doesn't alter the inherent rating they have given the component. The fact that some can bin higher than their rated tolerance for the parts in general is besides the point, could they pre-bin them and create a further product with a base clock of 1600Mhz, maybe, but if they don't choose to do so....

Thy have overclocked the component beyond the specified manufacturing tolerances, totally a valid use of the term.

Call it the "tuned edition" if you like. whatever, but your point about a manufacturer not being able to overclock things is garbage.
 
Darkdayzzz said:
That would be a d#cky move.

^ you mean a NVIDIA move like normal, or INTEL with their "special edition CPUs"
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Oh like FX-9590? :D

Every company knows how to milk cash when they're on top. Or well, that example isn't really AMD being on top, try FX-57...
 
sedontane said:
"Given speed"
They rate the chip at say 1500Mhz +- 5%.

If they choose to then sell a model they overclock at 1600Mhz, that doesn't alter the inherent rating they have given the component. The fact that some can bin higher than their rated tolerance for the parts in general is besides the point, could they pre-bin them and create a further product with a base clock of 1600Mhz, maybe, but if they don't choose to do so....

Thy have overclocked the component beyond the specified manufacturing tolerances, totally a valid use of the term.

Call it the "tuned edition" if you like. whatever, but your point about a manufacturer not being able to overclock things is garbage.
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That is unnecessarily harsh. He has a valid and interesting point; there's no need to dismiss it like that. I don't actually know what to think on this. If you do, that's fine. You've made up your mind. Others might not have and might want to hear fair chit-chat. Saying something is "garbage" helps no one and spoils a decent convo.
 
Does it even matter anymore? The cards with the best cooling generally self boost best. I mean the new RTX cards probably have GPU Boost 3 so if AIB partners have better cooling they will at the least be hitting same clocks as FE cards.
 
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