WYP
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"Ryzen and Radeon are again the brands to watch at COMPUTEX 2018"
Read more about AMD's Computex 2018 press conference.
Read more about AMD's Computex 2018 press conference.
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AMD announces their Computex 2018 Press Conference
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TheF34RChannel
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Hyping up their next let down, Navi?
WYP
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It is likely that AMD will showcase their Vega mobile graphics chip from CES and potentially talk a bit about their roadmap.
The new Radeon heads have had some time to formulate a plan for Radeon, though it seems likely that AMD's plans after Navi are big, or rather, they better be big.
The new Radeon heads have had some time to formulate a plan for Radeon, though it seems likely that AMD's plans after Navi are big, or rather, they better be big.
TheF34RChannel
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No offense, but I have been listening to how grand the next Radeon family will be for forever and a day. I'm not even skeptical anymore, but way beneath that. I agree with you, though, that it better be good but with their R&D budget, nah.
The best thing, the best chance, is Intel entering the GPU market - however their products will remain a big question mark for now. Wish they were here already. Anyone else thinks they'll maintain their hideous blue shroud for manufacturer models?
The best thing, the best chance, is Intel entering the GPU market - however their products will remain a big question mark for now. Wish they were here already. Anyone else thinks they'll maintain their hideous blue shroud for manufacturer models?
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AngryGoldfish
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I have to agree with F34R. Why would AMD Radeon be thinking big after Navi? Why weren't they thinking big with Fiji and Vega and now Navi? Were/Are these just placeholders for when they do go 'big', as if going big is nothing more than an active decision to knuckle down and get to it? Navi might be a good product if it can deliver GTX 1080 performance at a low price, but it'll be late and still leave the high-end market vacant.
I haven't seen a truly great Radeon products in years. I thought that would change with Vega, but it didn't—it actually worsened. Then I thought maybe Navi with the Infinity Fabric might change things. Now we're told there won't be a high-end Navi component and it may not use the IF technology, leaving Radeon out of the high-end space until 2020 or beyond. With all that market loss comes less income for further R&D, and the situation worsens.
Zen has been a huge success both because it's a great architecture and because Intel have done nothing but sit on their hands. If Intel had moved to six and eight cores (as they've now done in response to Ryzen) with Skylake 2-3 years ago, Ryzen would have entered the market in a highly competitive space and been a bit of a let down. But in the GPU space, Nvidia haven't been sitting on their hands. Kepler was good, Maxwell was better, and Pascal was better again. So with each recession from AMD in the CPU space, Intel did nothing. But with each recession from Radeon in the GPU space, Nvidia did a lot. If Nvidia's next architecture is nothing to write home about, maybe AMD will have a chance to claw back a tiny amount of market share, but I think it's going to be many years before Radeon is a widely respected brand again.
I haven't seen a truly great Radeon products in years. I thought that would change with Vega, but it didn't—it actually worsened. Then I thought maybe Navi with the Infinity Fabric might change things. Now we're told there won't be a high-end Navi component and it may not use the IF technology, leaving Radeon out of the high-end space until 2020 or beyond. With all that market loss comes less income for further R&D, and the situation worsens.
Zen has been a huge success both because it's a great architecture and because Intel have done nothing but sit on their hands. If Intel had moved to six and eight cores (as they've now done in response to Ryzen) with Skylake 2-3 years ago, Ryzen would have entered the market in a highly competitive space and been a bit of a let down. But in the GPU space, Nvidia haven't been sitting on their hands. Kepler was good, Maxwell was better, and Pascal was better again. So with each recession from AMD in the CPU space, Intel did nothing. But with each recession from Radeon in the GPU space, Nvidia did a lot. If Nvidia's next architecture is nothing to write home about, maybe AMD will have a chance to claw back a tiny amount of market share, but I think it's going to be many years before Radeon is a widely respected brand again.
WYP
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By big what I mean is that Radeon is hopefully working on something post-GCN, a new GPU architecture that can hopefully address the shortcomings of their GPUs at the source.
GCN was revolutionary at the time, but a lot of the same problems have kept on repeating themselves over time. TBH AMD has been super silent regarding their Roadmap, so hopefully that means that they have something that is worth keeping secret.
GCN was revolutionary at the time, but a lot of the same problems have kept on repeating themselves over time. TBH AMD has been super silent regarding their Roadmap, so hopefully that means that they have something that is worth keeping secret.
AngryGoldfish
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I forgot they had plans to create something brand new. That could be when they become competitive again.
WYP
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TBH nothing is known about post-Navi ATM, aside from the term "next-gen" and "scalability" from ancient roadmaps.
One hypothesis is that with the formation of the Radeon Technologies Group in 2015, AMD got their heads together to start work on a new architecture. Similar idea to when they started creating Zen, but on the GPU side.
Without any real evidence, it is just wishful thinking, but the GPU market needs a strong AMD to get Nvidia to work for their money. Strangely it may be Intel that comes to our rescue here, though as it stands the GPU market is stagnant.
Just look how extra competitive Intel is acting as a result of Ryzen/Threadripper. We need somebody to do that to Nvidia.
AngryGoldfish
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Yeah, I'm really curious to see what Intel have up their sleeve for 2019.
