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Old 22-12-17, 11:17 AM
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GlobalFoundries' 7nm process is set to make Intel's process leadership evaporate

Intel's 10nm and GlobalFoundries' 7nm are "more similar than they are different".



Read more about Globalfoundries 7nm process.

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Old 22-12-17, 04:46 PM
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Intel will still have a lead. It'll be a smaller one but it's still ahead. 7nm GloFlo is still about equal to 10nm Intel. Once Intel hit 7nm they'll get a little bit further ahead.
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Old 22-12-17, 07:17 PM
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One can only shrink something so much, I think the next tech is not far away and we will be on bio computers soon
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Intel will still have a lead. It'll be a smaller one but it's still ahead. 7nm GloFlo is still about equal to 10nm Intel. Once Intel hit 7nm they'll get a little bit further ahead.
This makes no sense. Their 10nm isn't even out yet, so when do you think they will get 7nm out?
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Old 22-12-17, 08:25 PM
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Intel will still have a lead. It'll be a smaller one but it's still ahead. 7nm GloFlo is still about equal to 10nm Intel. Once Intel hit 7nm they'll get a little bit further ahead.
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This makes no sense. Their 10nm isn't even out yet, so when do you think they will get 7nm out?
I haven't even heard Intel say a word about anything beyond 10nm. They have invested in EUV equipment, but it will be a while before they are using to create and sell products.

At this rate, Intel 10nm and Gloflo 7nm will be shipping within a quarter or two of each other. Not much point talking about Intel 7nm when even Intel hasn't spoken about it.

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One can only shrink something so much, I think the next tech is not far away and we will be on bio computers soon
There is more to process technology than size and transistor densities, so there will still be improvements to be made, be it with material design or adjustments to transistor structure.

While FinFET does serve us well now, GAAFET (Gate All Around-FET) will be the next big thing, where the gate will have 360 coverage around the channel region. Right now FinFETs (Or Tri-Gate transistors) only cover it from three sides.
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Intel will still have a lead. It'll be a smaller one but it's still ahead. 7nm GloFlo is still about equal to 10nm Intel. Once Intel hit 7nm they'll get a little bit further ahead.
Intel's 10nm Process resembles a Dumpster Fire. They have produced large scale chips on on 2 different nodes and their performance shows zero improvement over their current 14nm+ Manufacturing Node. 10nm+ samples of the BB Sized "U" and "Y" chips used in laptops are expected by the end of 2018. It will be interesting to see what they do. But even if they do yield a marginal increase in performance there is nothing to say such an increase will be prevalent when the production line is redirected to full scale microprocessors.

The problems Intel has been experiencing with its 10nm node has claimed some real victims. Intel's Cannon Lake line of Desktop Microprocessors, which was promised to us in 2016, has been canceled. Intel will be heading straight to Icelake in early 2019.

AMD on the other hand has maintained that the 7nm Version of Epyc code named Rome will be released in the 2nd Half of 2018 with Desktop Processors following on in 2019.

Reports from within AMD and Global Foundries as well as industry experts who follow microprocessor development like Charlie Demerjian have stated the GloFo 7nm "is in Good Shape".

Here is a video of a talk given by Tom Faure explaining the various aspects of the masks used in GloFo 7nm Process.

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Old 22-12-17, 08:39 PM
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This makes no sense. Their 10nm isn't even out yet, so when do you think they will get 7nm out?

Intel has stated they will go to 5nm after they get the knot of 10nm untangled.
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Old 23-12-17, 12:42 AM
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This makes no sense. Their 10nm isn't even out yet, so when do you think they will get 7nm out?
Nothing to do with when. The post makes perfect sense.
Intel will still have a lead whether they are at 10 or 7. Doesn't matter what anybody else has. Everybody classifies their die size backwards so it looks better for investors. Whereas Intel makes sure it is actually the right size they claim it to be.

Once Intel hit 7nm they will have a little bigger margin yet again. It will take a while before anybody else can match them in density and other areas at the same node. Intel may not have as big of a lead but they still are ahead. People need to relax about the impending doom for Intel. It's not like it even matters much. We won't see much improvement in the real world between 10 or 7.
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Old 23-12-17, 09:32 PM
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While FinFET does serve us well now, GAAFET (Gate All Around-FET) will be the next big thing, where the gate will have 360 coverage around the channel region. Right now FinFETs (Or Tri-Gate transistors) only cover it from three sides.

There is considerable discussion with the Electrical Engineering community about whether GAAFET is all its cracked up to be.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/sta...number=7890390
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To be frank I am really getting fed up reading anything about intels future plans as the company have been total a*******s with their very slow uptake of tech.

It took a near bankrupt AMD to release Threadripper and Ryzen to force intel to release anything interesting for the desktop.
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