ASUS updates a large number of AM4/Ryzen motherboards with AGESA 1071

Other people (not on this forum) have mused that the 12nm Ryzen refresh will bring higher clock speeds to the desktop. I thought this refresh was more for notebook efficiency and for the APUs, but I wonder if the recent price drops for Ryzen were because AMD wanted to sell off remaining stock before switching to the 12nm process and offering higher clock speeds for everyone.
 
Pretty cool, I know if I can indeed keep the same mobo then I will switch over to the top chip of the refresh :)

Although it's a little odd that the Crosshair mobos haven't gotten the update, Hope they do.
 
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AngryGoldfish said:
Other people (not on this forum) have mused that the 12nm Ryzen refresh will bring higher clock speeds to the desktop. I thought this refresh was more for notebook efficiency and for the APUs, but I wonder if the recent price drops for Ryzen were because AMD wanted to sell off remaining stock before switching to the 12nm process and offering higher clock speeds for everyone.
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With Zen2 being planned for 7nm it is unlikely to release in 2018, which makes a 12nm (Effectively Gloflo 14nm ++) refresh of Zen a good option.

It really depends on what AMD has done here, whether or not AMD has been able to fix up Ryzen much in silicon and whether or not the new process improves clock speeds or reduces power consumption by a meaningful amount. Even changes that will allow RAM/infinity fabric to run faster would be of huge benefit.

What should be expected is a Bulldozer-Piledriver kind of change, where the node is effectively the same and AMD has the opportunity to improve the design in a few small ways. This design is likely to be more of a polished Zen than a Zen 2.

To make a long story short, there will not be that huge of a leap, 12nm is just a polished 14nm and the Zen core design will not have any transformative changes until Zen 2 on 7nm.
 
WYP said:
With Zen2 being planned for 7nm it is unlikely to release in 2018, which makes a 12nm (Effectively Gloflo 14nm ++) refresh of Zen a good option.

It really depends on what AMD has done here, whether or not AMD has been able to fix up Ryzen much in silicon and whether or not the new process improves clock speeds or reduces power consumption by a meaningful amount. Even changes that will allow RAM/infinity fabric to run faster would be of huge benefit.

What should be expected is a Bulldozer-Piledriver kind of change, where the node is effectively the same and AMD has the opportunity to improve the design in a few small ways. This design is likely to be more of a polished Zen than a Zen 2.

To make a long story short, there will not be that huge of a leap, 12nm is just a polished 14nm and the Zen core design will not have any transformative changes until Zen 2 on 7nm.
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Oh yeah, I don't expect any big changes, but if a 1800X can suddenly hit 4.4Ghz on a good day, that alone would be a very welcome improvement for a lot of people. AMD did say that the clock speeds for Ryzen were initially worst case scenario, or they conservative. Not sure whether that was just talk, but it'll be almost a year since Ryzen came out when the new CPUs are released.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
Oh yeah, I don't expect any big changes, but if a 1800X can suddenly hit 4.4Ghz on a good day, that alone would be a very welcome improvement for a lot of people. AMD did say that the clock speeds for Ryzen were initially worst case scenario, or they conservative. Not sure whether that was just talk, but it'll be almost a year since Ryzen came out when the new CPUs are released.
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Yeah, higher average overclocks would be great. Any clock speed boost would be great for AMD. A boost to 4.4GHz would be awesome, or the ability to clock memory higher the average CPU.

If it works out like that then Pinnacle Ridge would effectively do to Ryzen what Kaby Lake did to Skylake, higher max clock speeds with improved support for high-speed memory.
 
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Yeah doing both of those would really pick up performance even if they were modest gains. I'm interested if they also bring in a revised chipset too.

Edit: it's probably for the APUs now that I think about it
 
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That thread moves so fast, I can't keep up with it. I'm tempted to try the new BIOS as I'm having cold boot problems. Everything runs very smoothly otherwise. I've managed to get around the cold boot issue by simply putting my system to sleep at night and then restarting it when I wake the system up again if I need to. Some people keep their systems running 24/7 all year round, but I just feel weird not restarting every day.
 
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But also note that AMD has never called Raven Ridge and APU in recent history, only referred to as a CPU with Vega graphics on notebooks. AMD seems to be dropping the term APU.
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Well the CH6 already had an update to "support future products" about 2 or so months ago so this update could be for anything.
 
Well, getting some bad feedback on that test bios. Everything working great here, so I think I will wait for more mature release candidate.
 
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Yeah doesn't really mean much. It could still be either
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Well this is the 2nd bios Asus have released for "future products" so it's probably APU's come to think of it as the bios update 1-2 months ago was specifically for initial support for future CPU's.

BigDaddyKong said:
Well, getting some bad feedback on that test bios. Everything working great here, so I think I will wait for more mature release candidate.
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Same, Will wait for a proper release.
 
I have been able to run 3200mhz since day one. I always had cold boot training issues until I got on the 1602 bios and learned to adjust my ProcODT ohms. Since then, not a single retrained cold boot. It will fire off the first time even after setting all night. It used to take 3 to 6 tries depending on the bios I was running.
 
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I have been able to run 3200mhz since day one. I always had cold boot training issues until I got on the 1602 bios and learned to adjust my ProcODT ohms. Since then, not a single retrained cold boot. It will fire off the first time even after setting all night. It used to take 3 to 6 tries depending on the bios I was running.
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Do you have a guide you used on that or was it mostly persistence and tweaking on your part? Putting my computer to sleep at night rather than shutting it down seemed to be working fine as a way to get around the cold boot issues, but now my system keeps randomly waking up by itself. Command Prompt says it's the ASmedia 3.1 Host Controller waking it up, but that's not registered as something allowed to do that according to Command Prompt, so I don't know what to do.
 
Trail and error. Stock setting should be 53.3. I think I ended up at 60.

The reason I quit using sleep when it wakes up, it borks fan speeds if you did the fan tuning in the bios. You wake and one or two fans would just spin up to 100% and not go back down until I rebooted.

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Double checked, and I am using 60ohms
 
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Trail and error. Stock setting should be 53.3. I think I ended up at 60.

The reason I quit using sleep when it wakes up, it borks fan speeds if you did the fan tuning in the bios. You wake and one or two fans would just spin up to 100% and not go back down until I rebooted.

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Double checked, and I am using 60ohms
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Yeah, my fans do that too after waking up from sleep. They only speed up slightly, but it's still annoying. It goes away when I restart.
 
I just get a feeling its going to just take a new mobo revision after Zen+ launches to fix everything. For a board that's been released for 3 quarters now, there are just too many different quirks. Now they are basically starting from scratch building Raven ridge support and basic items like sensor and fan speeds have not been addressed. It's nitpicking i know, but it does get annoying month after month.
 
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I just get a feeling its going to just take a new mobo revision after Zen+ launches to fix everything. For a board that's been released for 3 quarters now, there are just too many different quirks. Now they are basically starting from scratch building Raven ridge support and basic items like sensor and fan speeds have not been addressed. It's nitpicking i know, but it does get annoying month after month.
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I think it comes down to a lot of individual experiences, I can honestly say the only problems I've had are my memory not being fully supported after 3200MHz and the little LED screen giving out a weird number which was fixed with a bios update.

My X99 Sabertooth board and my i7 5930K gave me so many problems I was glad to see the back of it.
 
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