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Old 05-09-17, 09:22 AM
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AMD discusses their Zen 2 architecture

Higher IPC, increased clock speeds and a new process node.



Read more on the future of AMD's Ryzen architecture.

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Old 05-09-17, 09:36 AM
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Great to hear they're not stopping here. Even a 20% overall single thread performance improvement would be way more than Intel can offer, but the numbers from GlobalFoundries sound really impressive!

It's also great to know that as an early AM4 adopter, I likely won't be left out after 2 generations and will almost definitely have access to Zen 3 and maybe even further without a motherboard upgrade.
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Old 05-09-17, 09:44 AM
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Great to hear they're not stopping here. Even a 20% overall single thread performance improvement would be way more than Intel can offer, but the numbers from GlobalFoundries sound really impressive!

It's also great to know that as an early AM4 adopter, I likely won't be left out after 2 generations and will almost definitely have access to Zen 3 and maybe even further without a motherboard upgrade.
The thing about Foundry notes is that the numbers do not automatically apply to every product. A node jump will offer a big leap, but it remains to be seen how much 7nm will help things.

Yeah, it is great that AM4 will have some upgrade headroom. Unlike AM3+, AM4 will likely keep this promise, I remember using my Phenom II 1090T on my AM3+ board and waiting for Steamroller on desktop (It never releases on desktop...).
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It's good to see the future of Zen still being hyped. It should help keep a few from investing in Coffee Lake if they know that Ryzen has bigger plans to come.
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Old 05-09-17, 12:32 PM
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I just got my refund from Intel and was thinking of a 1700x I wonder if I should just keep using my laptop and wait for Zen2 instead
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Old 05-09-17, 12:33 PM
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I just got my refund from Intel and was thinking of a 1700x I wonder if I should just keep using my laptop and wait for Zen2 instead
Or do what I might do: Buy a 1600X now and then Ryzen 2 8c when it comes out.
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Truth be told I don't know that I can wait I'm not a patient person, I'm already struggling waiting for the motherboard that I want to release mid September and I'm already chomping at the bit LOL
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It's good to see the future of Zen still being hyped. It should help keep a few from investing in Coffee Lake if they know that Ryzen has bigger plans to come.
I am now remembering the leaked roadmaps that pointed towards a future EPYC CPU using Zen 2 with 48 cores. Makes me wonder if core counts will increase per die or if AMD will create Zen 2 dies with more cores in each die.

If the 48-cores rumour is true, AMD could use the same 4-die threadripper design and have 12-cores each or a new 6-die design with 8 cores each like Ryzen. Interesting prospect.

Will AMD push to have even more cores per die with Ryzen 2 or the same core count on a smaller die? Some food for thought for Ryzen 2. 12-core per die would allow 12-core CPUs on AM4!

It is far too early to know what AMD is actually doing, so this is all just me talking to the wall. Even so, a 4-die solution seems best given AMD's memory controller configuration, as a 6x 8-core die solution would leave two dies with no memory interconnects if AMD uses the same socket and 8-channel memory setup.

Again, I am just talking hypotheticals here. AMD has not released any real info on Zen 2 yet.
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Yeah if AMD has a socket and makes a promice that says "hey guys, we will be on AM4 for the next 2 generations to come, you can have the latest cpu even on an x370 board on a b350 board, you'll be fine but some features will be unavailable because of the chipset" That would mean good old AMD when you could have an am3 cpu on an am2 motherboard and am3+ cpus on am3 motherboards and you could have a phenom II on a crosshair IV and then upgrade to an fx8150 without buying a new board
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I am now remembering the leaked roadmaps that pointed towards a future EPYC CPU using Zen 2 with 48 cores. Makes me wonder if core counts will increase per die or if AMD will create Zen 2 dies with more cores in each die.

If the 48-cores rumour is true, AMD could use the same 4-die threadripper design and have 12-cores each or a new 6-die design with 8 cores each like Ryzen. Interesting prospect.

Will AMD push to have even more cores per die with Ryzen 2 or the same core count on a smaller die? Some food for thought for Ryzen 2. 12-core per die would allow 12-core CPUs on AM4!

It is far too early to know what AMD is actually doing, so this is all just me talking to the wall. Even so, a 4-die solution seems best given AMD's memory controller configuration, as a 6x 8-core die solution would leave two dies with no memory interconnects if AMD uses the same socket and 8-channel memory setup.

Again, I am just talking hypotheticals here. AMD has not released any real info on Zen 2 yet.
Is AM4 set up for 12 cores though? Will current motherboards be able to handle them? I think 8 cores is enough for AM4 personally. They just need to get the prices down, clocks up (and IPC), and stabilise the platform fully. An 8 core CPU that clocks to 4.4Ghz with a 65W TDP, IPC on par with Skylake/Kaby Lake, all for €300. That would be drool worthy.
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