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Old 31-07-17, 01:26 PM
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AMD clarifies why Threadripper uses 4 silicon dies

Threadripper only uses two Ryzen CPU dies. What are the other two for?



Read more on AMD's Threadripper CPU-die configuration.

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They're for when Intel get lairy so they can willy shame them with 32 cores
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Yeah... Blank... Bs. Serves no purpose. Doesn't matter though.
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Old 31-07-17, 02:29 PM
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Intel's 18 core *will* be faster than the 16 core TR. No ifs, no buts. It's got a generation leap over TR (BE to SKYLAKE E) and will, with the right cooling and board, easily surpass the 4ghz barrier.

AMD are going to have to have a response to that, and I truly believe it is going to be more cores.
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Old 31-07-17, 02:48 PM
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Intel's 18 core *will* be faster than the 16 core TR. No ifs, no buts. It's got a generation leap over TR (BE to SKYLAKE E) and will, with the right cooling and board, easily surpass the 4ghz barrier.

AMD are going to have to have a response to that, and I truly believe it is going to be more cores.
I wouldn't bet on that- the monolithic design Intel uses along with the flawed package design that's been trapping significant heat below the IHS means that AMD have a 30% base clock speed advantage and will likely be able to maintain their boost clocks with considerably more active cores. Intel might have higher 1-4 core boost clocks but that means little for most people buying a part like this. Basically the Intel 18 core will have higher single threaded performance, but as soon as you try to use all those threads the performance will plummet with the clock speeds, killing multicore performance to a degree that the increased IPC and 2 extra cores is unlikely to make up for.

Worth noting that moving to 4 dies/32 cores for AMD much of this advantage disappears, with the ability to maintain these high clock rates vanishing as you hit a TDP of around 180W, which is why I see 32 core Threadripper very unlikely- In many metrics in will likely be slower than the 16 core variant and consumer workloads that can make use of that many cores are scarce. Plus it'd likely be memory bandwidth constrained in many of those workloads without a new chipset to bring 8-channel support.
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https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-r...cp-3a7-am.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-r...cp-3a8-am.html

It's happening ! *runs around in circles waving his arms in the air !"

Then the bubble burst..

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-co...9-threadripper

Dang, that's some expensive mobos right there.

£520 for the Zenith ! *faints*
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Given the controversy surround X299 and the design flaws and inadequacies of many of the mobos thanks to Intel pushing server grade parts into the consumer space on short notice in response to Threadripper, I don't think many will see it as a flaw that AMD are making sure their server-derived parts use server-derived motherboards and components. The overall cost for an equivalent or often faster AMD is still below that of Intels, and without the issues surrounding X299's.
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I don't get it. The MSI has an enormous package (smirks). Go look at it. Coolers for the M.2, even a PCIE card. And it's nearly £200 cheaper.. I await Der8auer pulling them apart and giving them a good look over
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Their reasoning sounds legit, but if they are just dummies, why bother using TIM on those and having the dies coated with a metal? Not coating the wafers with the dummy dies would mean that the dies are not required to go through the cleanroom, which in return would save AMD quite some money (cleanroomtime=money).
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32 cores are coming. I absolutely assure you. Intel want two bags of sand for their 18 core. If you think AMD won't want a share of that you are crazy. Seriously. This is just the calm before the storm.
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