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Old 24-07-17, 08:03 AM
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Performance data for Intel's 16-core 7960X leaks

A base clock of 2.5GHz?



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Old 24-07-17, 08:16 AM
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I think this is only to meet certain TDP. I would imagine they clock like crazy.
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Old 24-07-17, 08:22 AM
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I think this is only to meet certain TDP. I would imagine they clock like crazy.
Yeah, this is likely to maintain a low TDP. Even so, today's X299 motherboards were not designed with these core counts in mind, so super high overclocks could be problematic.
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Overclocking? Doubt it'll be much. The heat output on the higher core counts is going to be it's biggest issue. The voltages are probably going to act like an exponential function kinda like how Ivy Bridge was. Needed little voltage then going up 100mhz was all of a sudden a massive spike in temps, I know they are different as to why it spiked, just an example.
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Yeah you'll need a phase or two haha. My X99 Plus has 12, I would not want to push it tbh.

It's not going to be long before we are going to need proper active cooling on X299 either, especially if people want to push the clocks.

With all of these cores coming we may even see a form factor change eventually.
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I think this is only to meet certain TDP. I would imagine they clock like crazy.
having played with the current 8 core on intels latest x299 i doubt i want to try that.

ok there is still a little hope that they got rid of TIM.... but that´s just hope.

these days remind my about athlon XP and pentium 4.

i really would not have thought that intel can be so clueless.... again.
7 month ago i would have never thought i build myself an AMD system in 2017.

i don´t care about price that much... but heat, noise (need to get rid of the heat) and other things (intel continues to be a walletripper) made me buy AMD this time.
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hmmm

16 cores but only 6x the performance? I know you expect to lose some but that seems excessive.
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Old 25-07-17, 09:48 AM
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having played with the current 8 core on intels latest x299 i doubt i want to try that.

ok there is still a little hope that they got rid of TIM.... but that´s just hope.

these days remind my about athlon XP and pentium 4.

i really would not have thought that intel can be so clueless.... again.
7 month ago i would have never thought i build myself an AMD system in 2017.

i don´t care about price that much... but heat, noise (need to get rid of the heat) and other things (intel continues to be a walletripper) made me buy AMD this time.
The problem will not be the CPUs. Think about what we put on our CPUs to keep them cool. Enormous tower coolers, water etc. The problem with CPUs like this, and especially if you clock them, is the VRMs. GPUs also have big coolers/water but VRMs are cooled with passive lumps of aluminium.

I know that Der8auer was being extreme when he got the VRMs so hot that they throttled but there are a couple of instances where you will see those kind of extremes already. For example the swamp level on Crysis 3. That level shut my PC down just as much as Realbench or Prime 95. Mostly because it fully loaded up my AMD FX8 over all cores and my GPU. The heat coming out of that rig was insane.

So for right now most of what we use will not create those circumstances, but IMO sooner or later they will happen in every game you play. That is what we've all been wanting for years.. More games that use more than four cores, more of the CPU working during the game to take away any bottleneck for the GPU.And that means the CPU needs to work really hard, and that will cause loads like Der8auer created with Prime95 recently.

Unfortunately that is just what happens when you torture load a massively cored CPU. As I said, it goes back to the boards. The cooling on the VRMs (and in many cases the VRMs themselves) are just not adequate. It all needs beefing up, including the cooling. We need something like CPU/GPU cooling on those VRMs. So, I would strongly imagine water is going to have a resurgence tbh. At least for the short term
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