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Old 12-05-17, 11:40 AM
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Samsung create a new contract chip manufacturing unit

Samsung has now created a new contract chip manufacturing unit, allowing 3rd parties like Nvidia and Qualcomm to be sure that none of their IP could make its way to competing divisions within Samsung.



Read more on Samsung's new contract chip manufacturing unit.

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Old 12-05-17, 04:45 PM
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If only Intel opened there fabs up. They could be making more money than Samsung.
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Old 14-05-17, 09:14 AM
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From the article : "Samsung has recently announced that they have finalised the development of their second generation 10nm FinFET manufacturing process, which could attract additional customers to Samsung who wish to take advantage of their latest manufacturing process."

Finalised ? What exactly does the term mean ?

An article published by 'Seeking Alpha', a business tech publication, states.

The 10nm facility is actually producing 12nm chips. The 10nm tooling will be followed by 7nm capability, 9.3nm actual, to come on line in 1Q 2019.

Global Foundaries is currently producing 16nm, 17nm actual, chips. In 2Q 2018 they will bring online 9.3nm actual chip fabrication effectively hopping over 12nm fabrication.

Intel currently has 9.5 nm actual wafer production capability. AMD will finalise product orders of Winterhaven and Naples prototypes as Global Foundaries as Global Foundaries 9.2 nm capabilities comes online.

Samsung will implement 9.2 nm fabrication 9 months after the technology comes online for GF.

18 months later Global Foundaries will will be the first rock cutter to implement 7.1 nm product beating Intel Samsung and TMSC.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/404...facturing-lead
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Old 14-05-17, 05:28 PM
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Intel even at a "lower" nm rating is still actually physically lower than other companies.
For example, 10/12nm chips from anyone else is equal to Intels 14nm. Intel just has the best density. Which is what matters here more than the size of the transistors.
Another example, everyone at 7nm is equal to Intel at 10nm. Why is it this way? Will other companies use 10nm CLASS ratings. Meaning anything from 10/12nm is considered 10nm. Intel uses the actual rating instead of classifying them into groups. So Intel will always be ahead even if it doesn't seem so. Until everyone hits a wall at 7nm, Intel is ahead.
So ignore what anyone else claims they have. Intel has the best foundries in the world bar none.
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So ignore what anyone else claims they have. Intel has the best foundries in the world bar none.
Your above statement is exactly the reason why people look upon "Internet Experts" with contempt. The Seeking Alpha article is a well sourced piece. The central thesis is based upon the report of Semiwiki https://www.semiwiki.com/ a highly reputable source. Dismissing such sources as "claims" is quite revealing. Although Intel has the capability to produce 9.5 nm chips it has decided to focus on refining its 17 nm process. This is what gives Intel its current edge. But 'current' is the operative word


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Intel uses the actual rating instead of classifying them into groups. So Intel will always be ahead even if it doesn't seem so. Until everyone hits a wall at 7nm, Intel is ahead.
Intel's edge will begin to evaporate when the transition to 9.5/9.2 nm fabrication commences with TSMC's introduction of 9.2nm fabrication in the first half of 2018. Global Foundries will follow in the second half of 2018 with Samsung coming online in the first half of 2019. Coming to 7nm it will be Global Foundries leading the way in the first half of 2020 with Intel bringing up the rear in the second half of 2021.

It will only be a matter of time before the Chinese develop their own capability in this field and Rockchip cuts its ties with Intel
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Lmao whatever you say
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Lmao whatever you say
Good to see you recognize a well researched argument.
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Old 15-05-17, 04:54 AM
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If that is what you call it, sure.
I've read that article multiple times, within an hour it was published, you clearly haven't even read either what I said or what is actually beyond the summary.
But yeah I will agree it was definitely and positively without a doubt 100% very well researched. I should know better, you are the radio man.
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