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Old 10-02-17, 09:33 AM
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Intel's Cannonlake CPUs will use the companies 14nm process

Intel's Cannonlake CPUs will use the companies 14nm process, breaking their new Process, Architecture, Optimisation model after just one generation of products.



Read more on Intel breaking their Process, Architecture, Optimisation model with Cannonlake.

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Old 10-02-17, 09:42 AM
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Sound's like Intel are more than just a little concerned over AMD's incoming products given the press releases from them of late.
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Maybe they know something we don't...
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small increase again
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That cycle was going to break at some point anyways, we probably won't go much smaller than 10nm.
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That cycle was going to break at some point anyways, we probably won't go much smaller than 10nm.
Aye, nobody seems optimistic about going under 7nm, seems to be where the limit is at.

Even then it seems increasingly difficult to get to that point. AMD, Nvidia and Intel will need to work on their architectures more than usual, as they can't rely on process shrinks for performance gains.
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Unless it's a new architecture it won't be much better.
They probably stalled 10nm due to capacity limit's
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Do they really rely on process shrinks that much? Obviously after a while you have to shrink the die to make any tangible gains, but Nvidia managed to squeeze a lot of efficiency out of 28nm. 28nm may have outstayed its welcome by then, but it still worked out, at least for them.
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Do they really rely on process shrinks that much?
Yup. It's a free lunch (launch) dude. All you do is take your existing tech, shrink it, clock it higher due to lower volts etc and then sell it as a brand new range (see also Nvidia 10 series, Maxwell on speed).

They will continue doing it for as long as they can because a brand new tech is expensive and takes years. Look how long it's taken AMD to do Zen. About five years now?
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Yup. It's a free lunch (launch) dude. All you do is take your existing tech, shrink it, clock it higher due to lower volts etc and then sell it as a brand new range (see also Nvidia 10 series, Maxwell on speed).

They will continue doing it for as long as they can because a brand new tech is expensive and takes years. Look how long it's taken AMD to do Zen. About five years now?
Doesn't always work that way. When moving to a smaller node, you have really two basic options if you don't change your architecture much. You can 1) increase clocks slightly(emphasis on slightly) and in turn since everything is smaller(aka more transistor/sq) and can switch faster, that will improve performance. 2) Or you can keep the same performance, but take advantage of the fact that you have more transistor density, which means you can have the same amount as before but in a smaller area, which decreases overall power consumption.
And no, Pascal moved to a FinFet process. Which is much better at everything compared to the old planar process. It's not really comparable besides the fact it's nearly the same thing but clocked higher and more efficient. But that's only due to FinFet. This would be a classic example of what you are talking about. Smaller node, better performance, enhanced further because they changed the underlying architecture there's is built upon from the start. Which leads to improvements in every area and combines 1 and 2 I mentioned before
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