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Old 25-02-20, 06:17 PM
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Come on AMD; It's time to talk about RDNA 2 and Next-Generation Radeon

If Xbox can talk about it, why can't AMD?



Read more about AMD's RDNA 2 architecture, and why AMD needs to talk about it soon.

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Old 25-02-20, 07:40 PM
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Pretty self-explanatory why they can't?

They have customers who are using it. Those customers, being Sony, haven't released any info.

Therefore they can't talk about it. They can't announce the details of the architecture features before their customers have as in this case their buyers are direct competitors in the same market.

Outside of that, we learned hardly anything about RDNA2. 12 TFLOPs. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything as we discussed yesterday.

On top of that, it is entirely possible RDNA2 won't have RT support but the Series X could have a dedicated die for those computations. Unlikely, but plausible. It would be bad if they didn't but doesn't mean they won't.
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Old 25-02-20, 07:49 PM
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Pretty self-explanatory why they can't?

They have customers who are using it. Those customers, being Sony, haven't released any info.

Therefore they can't talk about it. They can't announce the details of the architecture features before their customers have as in this case their buyers are direct competitors in the same market.

Outside of that, we learned hardly anything about RDNA2. 12 TFLOPs. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything as we discussed yesterday.

On top of that, it is entirely possible RDNA2 won't have RT support but the Series X could have a dedicated die for those computations. Unlikely, but plausible. It would be bad if they didn't but doesn't mean they won't.
AMD won't discuss the configurations and specs of their customer's products. That doesn't mean that they themselves cannot talk about their own RDNA 2 products. It's their product, not Sony's or Microsoft's.

The new consoles cannot stop AMD from talking about its own products. That would be stupid. They will never talk about the specs of either console or any of the secret sauce hidden underneath, but that doesn't mean that they can't announce their own products or talk about RDNA 2.

We will almost certainly hear about RDNA 2 during AMD's Investors Day. If not, AMD has missed a vital opportunity. With the next-gen consoles delivering this level of performance at a rumoured $500, AMD really needs to play its cards right on PC.
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You're assuming that the die Sony will be using will be different than AMDs or MS. It's not stupid. You don't know the contract details. No one knows the specs of each specific die. They could all be the same for all we know. Even if not they could be lawfully obligated to not say anything.

For all we know it could be launching end of Summer. That's 7 months in advance. To far for a reveal
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Old 25-02-20, 08:46 PM
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RTG - talk crap about your crap stuff and say nothing about your good stuff, apart from Polaris.

Navi is ok. I'd love to say great but the drivers stink. And this is becoming a recurring theme with AMD GPUs.

Maybe it's because they're putting too much focus into the consoles? IDK, but yeah I won't be touching them ever again until I can be certain of no issues or close to none.

It's a shame, because for ages they got it right whilst Nvidia made a pig's ear of it but that's really changed.

5600XT launch was shady, 5700 and XT mounting issues and black screens.

Yeah, no thanks.

Replace consoles with Apple drivers.
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RTG was talking crap about their own stuff? Definitely missed that one
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RTG was talking crap about their own stuff? Definitely missed that one
Crap as in BS. You know? Lying.

Like the time they showed a Vega 64 next to a Titan XP with no data but "it's nice".

Vega is everything but nice. Worst GPU I've ever had. Undervolt? I had to underclock it just to stop it crashing.
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https://wccftech.com/amd-next-gen-fl...-24-gb-memory/

fair few YT peeps talking about this, it's not beyond possible but Idk tbh and if true it will be very expensive

like all things until I have seen it and someone has benched and reviewed a tech item then I don't get my hopes up too much, too old for hype trains.

If we don't hear anything at GDC if it even still go's ahead, then E3 time frame maybe, but tbh the sooner the better.
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Getting reamed by nvidia

Why give away your secrets to nvidia before you need to,... would just be helping the competition out giving away details too early. I expect amd might take a performance lead, nvidia will drop their prices a few days after rdna2 releases then within a month or so will release their latest xx80 product to take back the high end performance lead. If an entire New generation PS5 and xbox release at $500, could we expect the chip they use to release to the pc crowd at the same price point? If AMD crams twice the silicon into their high performance cards there is a bit of scope in between to leave nvidia guessing till launch day
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Why give away your secrets to nvidia before you need to,... would just be helping the competition out giving away details too early. I expect amd might take a performance lead, nvidia will drop their prices a few days after rdna2 releases then within a month or so will release their latest xx80 product to take back the high end performance lead. If an entire New generation PS5 and xbox release at $500, could we expect the chip they use to release to the pc crowd at the same price point? If AMD crams twice the silicon into their high performance cards there is a bit of scope in between to leave nvidia guessing till launch day
AMD discussed Zen 2 long before it came to market, several quarters before. All AMD needs to do with an announcement is to lay down some basic details, leave full specifications for later.

It is common for AMD to reveal an architecture at one event and wait to talk about product reveals for another. AMD needs to put gamers on notice and give people a reason to "wait for RDNA 2".

As it stands, I can see a lot of PC gamers contemplating a move to Xbox Series X or PlayStation 5 for a while, especially with today's GPU pricing.
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