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Old 24-02-21, 06:46 PM
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Spotify promises Lossless Audio formats later this year with Spotify HiFi

This feature is coming to selected markets later this year.



Read more about Spotify HiFi.

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Old 24-02-21, 08:28 PM
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Fantastic news. That's one big step towards making Spotify an alternative I can be genuinely happy using.

Spotify has been a plague to the music scene in many ways, just like illegal downloading. The reality is, if you're not Billie Eilish or Sia, putting your music on Spotify is often done begrudgingly and with the knowledge that you're throwing money away. With the human malware destroying the gigging scene globally, bands have been hit some of the worst in recent years. Their income and passion has been shot to bits.

But in spite of that, Spotify has been game-changing for me. I've found so much amazing music through it, and it's now my primary app for listening. The sound quality sucks. The app is extremely limited when I compare it to the custom versions of MusicBee and Winamp I've used over the years; even the shuffle function is terrible because it's not random. It's buggy. Bands don't see enough revenue from it. And there's more.

If someone came along and offered the same music variety, higher quality audio (it doesn't have to be FLAC and it doesn't have even have to CD quality), an app that's not built for simpletons, and supports the artists fairly, I will 100% jump ship even if it costs way, way more. But that doesn't exist. No one has come forward with that yet. So I'm left with two choices: One, miss out on tons of amazing music because I cannot afford to buy it all on CDs or MP3s. Two, continue listening to inferior quality audio of all the music I love dearly in a convenient but lacking package for dirt cheap.

If Spotify made a few improvements, even at a higher price, I'd pay it.
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Old 24-02-21, 11:49 PM
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I am disappointed in the fact that they are only aiming for CD quality sound. They could easily do 24bit/96khz and with the largest userbase they could easily become the default option for high quality sound and cheaper prices at low tiers.

Tidal would struggle more as well as the other above cd quality apps.

As it is I'd look into it but Tidal is still probably going to sound better at probably the same price
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Old 25-02-21, 12:49 AM
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You won't notice any difference between CD quality and 24bit/96kHz, unless you slow the music down, where sample rate will matter. But who does that?

CD quality is plenty, it all boils down to the record's production value and your gear.

Only reason some releases sound better when, for instance, ripped off vinyl at "24bit/96kHz", is because vinyl pressings rarely took part in loudness war which plagued CDs.
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Old 25-02-21, 01:06 AM
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Thanks for your opinion on what I can and can't notice the difference of.
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Old 25-02-21, 02:36 AM
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You won't notice any difference between CD quality and 24bit/96kHz, unless you slow the music down, where sample rate will matter. But who does that?

CD quality is plenty, it all boils down to the record's production value and your gear.

Only reason some releases sound better when, for instance, ripped off vinyl at "24bit/96kHz", is because vinyl pressings rarely took part in loudness war which plagued CDs.
I remember a while back there was a video where some sound engineers did blind A/B tests on some audiophiles, The test was 24bit/44KHz, 24bit/48KHz and 24bit/96KHz using a mix of MP3, FLAC, AAC and WAV.

End result was what the sound engineers predicted, The audiophiles thought the 24bit/96KHz was 24bit/44KHz, The 24bit/44KHz was 24bit/96KHz but they all got the 24bit/48KHz correct.

Although I think if you're listening over the net there would be a perceivable difference the higher you go as you are at the mercy of latency, Interference etc...
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Old 25-02-21, 10:18 AM
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Thanks for your opinion on what I can and can't notice the difference of.
It's not a matter of opinion, it has been blind tested over and over.
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Old 25-02-21, 11:05 AM
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There's also Nyquist's Theorem to be fair, humans can only hear upto 20kHz so mathematically you can say we only need 40kHz sampling to represent all the sounds humans can hear. Going beyond 40kHz slightly is to aid anti-aliasing filters, but you don't need much overhead for that.

96kHz and such is for music production, not for end user sound quality, you genuinely have to be not-human to be able to tell a quality difference between 48kHz and 96kHz at normal playback speeds and such.
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There's also Nyquist's Theorem to be fair, humans can only hear upto 20kHz so mathematically you can say we only need 40kHz sampling to represent all the sounds humans can hear. Going beyond 40kHz slightly is to aid anti-aliasing filters, but you don't need much overhead for that.

96kHz and such is for music production, not for end user sound quality, you genuinely have to be not-human to be able to tell a quality difference between 48kHz and 96kHz at normal playback speeds and such.
And thats before you get into the ability of playback devices to accurately produce a signal.

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Old 26-02-21, 03:20 AM
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It's not a matter of opinion, it has been blind tested over and over.
Don't really care about your opinion tbh

There's a difference clearly between 16bit and 24bit. That's the point I made, higher quality sound. Thanks for introducing nothing but irrelevant information to the conversation. If that bothers you then so be it
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