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Old 17-06-19, 02:13 AM
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The world's left directly opposes the companies you claim have a socialist agenda and directly advocate for the regulation and removal of the powers you claim are being used to forward the left. It is organisation's you would probably claim are enacting socialist policy like the EU who are the ones taking the largest and most aggressive steps against the companies you claim have a socialist agenda. And you say I have a contradiction? How do you explain the fact all the left wing US presidential candidates want to directly break up these companies you claim are left wing?

Do you want to regulate and hold accountable those in power(that both the left and now right vocally acknowledge are an issue that needs addressing) , or do you want to wilfully give them the freedom to oppress and exploit whoever they want and just "let the free market sort itself out" ?

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Old 17-06-19, 04:24 AM
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You're using presidential candidates "promises" as a source? The fact you believe politicians promises to be be true and honest is funny.

That about sums it up for me. No point in discussing further. I've already made my point and there's no arguing against facts, which is the big tech funds the left. They silence the right and anybody else they deem necessary(plenty of evidence and happens all the time). Funding the left means pushing their ideals. Which is socialism. More government and more power for the corrupt. If you don't want to believe the big techs aren't apart of the left, that just shows me where your ideals are. Which doesn't bother me at all but it makes this pointless as your now just assuming everything and using mockery.
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Old 17-06-19, 09:44 AM
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Nothing to do with promises, it's about intent, and the actions already taken against these companies by governments around the world that you'd consider left wing(Nice job picking a single point and ignoring the rest again). I think you're confusing liberals with socialists at best, liberals are essentially just excessively politically correct capitalists, still much closer to neoliberals like Bush and Blair than they are to socialists in their policy, this is why calling everyone "left of trump" a socialist even when they're blatantly just left leaning capitalists just causes confusion. Socialism is about economic policy and structure, has nothing at all to do with political correctness or social policy. The hard left has vocally had a problem with these companies for far longer than the right, the fundamental way these companies were exist is incompatible with socialism, just because now a few conservatives got deplatformed because the algorithms used to remove radical Islamic terrorism also happen to catch the same kinds of violent rhetoric in people like Tommy Robinson doesn't suddenly make it a left vs right thing(you realise it's pre-trained neural network algorithms from separate anti-terrorism initiatives that are catching out most of these people, with no human involvement or possible political intent right? The irony is that white supremacists and their supporters use exactly the same language, techniques and rhetoric as extremist Muslims, two sides of the same coin) and throwing the word socialism at anything you think is bad, even things actual socialists have hated for decades, shows you have no actual interest in discussing politics and instead just want to throw loose bogeymen terms at things you don't like while offering no solutions. Big tech directly opposes the fundamental goals of socialism, claiming that socialists want large private companies to have any kind of power at all is a clear and fundamental misunderstanding of the defining policy & common goal of all forms of socialism (for the workers to seize the means of production). Sure, liberals might love big tech, but liberals are still right of centre(free market capitalists) when it comes to economic policy, they're only left wing in a social policy sense.

The differences of capitalism and socialism are whether you want a regulated/planned economy as opposed to an unregulated/free market one, really simple, do you want your economy dictated by the laws of nature, or scientific analysis? Both are valid and non-dangerous options and saying otherwise is rhetoric, some people just think one could offer a fairer, and therefore eventually more prosperous society. (All Marxism is, or any writings by Karl Marx, were empirical-scientific analysis' of the distribution and trade of capital and the system that dictates it, which Marx called Capitalism, Marxist writings are purely just a scientific analysis of capitalism, particularly in 19th century Britain & Europe but much of it hasn't aged at all which is why people still consider it relevant, some men 150 years ago predicted events happening in our economy today and their predicted solutions seem no less relevant to our problems including the original one we were discussing, the type of media & automation has just changed).

So I'll talk policy directly and we can drop the labels, how do you plan to oppose these companies and reduce their power, if not by the method of further regulation? (Currently already being pursued and enforced by groups like the EU where possible within their jurisdiction)
Presumably Trump has some kind of plan at least?
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Old 17-06-19, 02:49 PM
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And again nice job on assuming absolutely EVERYTHING and making this far more about what I originally said. You're putting words in my mouth when my point was simple. Big tech silences the middle and right. They fund the left. The US left is socialism. That's who they fund. Anything else you say is just for the sake of typing really. I can't really be more clear on that. They want all the power and control. Oligarch socialist society. I've already made the point and it's a fact they fund them.
You wanted me to offer a solution on regulation yet you fail to realize there is no solution. Half the government is being funded by groups. You can't just solve it with half a government. Not how it works. You can use whatever "promise" as a source because it's "intent" but intent as a source is pretty awful and believing politicians is funny. They do whatever they can to get votes. They won't even bother to do anything about their campaign "intents"

Don't bother replying here. Just take it pm. I don't want to bloat the thread with this
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Old 17-06-19, 07:42 PM
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Don't bother replying here. Just take it pm. I don't want to bloat the thread with this
Thanks because that was an absolute word salad.
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Old 21-06-19, 08:24 AM
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Old 21-06-19, 05:50 PM
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So I just got a really lovely message from a very real member of "antifa" calling me a plethora of names because a page on Facebook which I'm a member of, No clue why he's on there, It's to do with German festivals like October fest etc... saw my picture as I commented on a friends post *I comment on things like twice a year on friends pages* and because I apparently look like a Nazi, Blonde hair blue eyes, That was grounds enough for him to send me a 4 paragraph detailed death threat with various plans to end my "Nazi lineage".

I don't quite know how to break it to him that I have a Jewish background, Either way I'm getting in touch with the police because he stated the actual road where I live which is more than a little creepy.

This is why antifa needs to be classed as a terrorist organisation and leftism needs to be classified as a mental health disorder and danger to the public.
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Old 21-06-19, 06:27 PM
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This is why antifa needs to be classed as a terrorist organisation and leftism needs to be classified as a mental health disorder and danger to the public.
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Old 21-06-19, 10:47 PM
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Yay saw my actual flat on TV. Middle right, new grey building on top of old one.

As you can see I live very close to the beach lol.
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Old 22-06-19, 09:44 AM
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This is why antifa needs to be classed as a terrorist organisation and leftism needs to be classified as a mental health disorder and danger to the public.
You know right wingers sending abuse and death threats to essentially kids over meme pages on facebook is super common right lol? It's generally creepy how many people on the internet think it's ok to initiate random conversation about rubbish imo but when they dig into the yellow pages it does get abit too much.
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