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Old 15-02-17, 01:35 PM
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On the topic of websites that run a lot slower than they need to. Has anyone else noticed that PCGAMER has huge problems with this now?
Unfortunately with the age of adblockers being such as they are, there's an AWFUL lot of anti-ad-blocker stuff on webpages these days, there's some seriously javascript heavy pages. I almost miss flash at this point.. (almost). To the point where the blocker detects Ads on main page, and blocks them, but the page will purposefully detect that and re-run some other code, but then the adblockers pick that up, so then the page will try a third wave of ad blocker blocking.. it's really turned a lot of the heavier ad-serving sites into a sh!t-show if you ask me. It's a weird form of escalation.

If you scroll far enough down Facebook, because of their lazy-loading technique it slows the page to a god damn crawl. It's so badly coded. A lot of sites are using this whole 'don't load below the fold' technique, not sure if it's for click tracking or what but putting content behind tap bars and stuff is nasty.

Then of course most sites are built to have desktop ads on desktop, and mobile ads on mobile which all serve to add to the javascript nightmare.. There are some really poorly setup and implemented sites

I'm trying to keep this place as light on the ad-block gotcha stuff as possible, but will need to start coming up with polite "could you turn that ad-blocker off plz" stuff in the not-too-distant future. I know Tom is very anti-subscription/pay to view/donations etc which is kind of a shame, I'd love to offer a tiered service of 'pay x and skip all ad content period' or something.. dunno. I'm not really sure what the larger audience's opinion of that really is.

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Old 15-02-17, 02:32 PM
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The AD's on here aren't really much of an issue, it's site where you take longer to load the Ad's then the actual info you were looking for, I started using Adblocker because I had a couple of times popup's that had your pc is at risk phone this number or install this, and they were a total pain to close even closing the browser didn't work.

Subscription I'd say would depend on what the X is and how often
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Old 15-02-17, 02:48 PM
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The AD's on here aren't really much of an issue, it's site where you take longer to load the Ad's then the actual info you were looking for, I started using Adblocker because I had a couple of times popup's that had your pc is at risk phone this number or install this, and they were a total pain to close even closing the browser didn't work.

Subscription I'd say would depend on what the X is and how often
Big difference here is the ads aren't intrusive/popups/interesting. I don't think theres a problem with the ads here.

A 'could you turn off ads pls' block I think for the most part with the readers here should be enough
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Unfortunately with the age of adblockers being such as they are, there's an AWFUL lot of anti-ad-blocker stuff on webpages these days, there's some seriously javascript heavy pages. I almost miss flash at this point.. (almost). To the point where the blocker detects Ads on main page, and blocks them, but the page will purposefully detect that and re-run some other code, but then the adblockers pick that up, so then the page will try a third wave of ad blocker blocking.. it's really turned a lot of the heavier ad-serving sites into a sh!t-show if you ask me. It's a weird form of escalation.

If you scroll far enough down Facebook, because of their lazy-loading technique it slows the page to a god damn crawl. It's so badly coded. A lot of sites are using this whole 'don't load below the fold' technique, not sure if it's for click tracking or what but putting content behind tap bars and stuff is nasty.

Then of course most sites are built to have desktop ads on desktop, and mobile ads on mobile which all serve to add to the javascript nightmare.. There are some really poorly setup and implemented sites

I'm trying to keep this place as light on the ad-block gotcha stuff as possible, but will need to start coming up with polite "could you turn that ad-blocker off plz" stuff in the not-too-distant future. I know Tom is very anti-subscription/pay to view/donations etc which is kind of a shame, I'd love to offer a tiered service of 'pay x and skip all ad content period' or something.. dunno. I'm not really sure what the larger audience's opinion of that really is.
I have only ever one problem with the adds on OC3D and that is I sometimes click on the side ads by accident. But it's not a big deal; I just close the page. I know it's a legitimate site and won't give me malware and I know it's even relatable to my passions. I do not use adblocker for OC3D. I use adblocker for other sites and I won't shy away from that. The day I turn off adblocker for all sites is the day they all do what OC3D is doing. If I'm on YouTube and I'm watching a video demo for a guitar effects pedal, I want a trailer for a new guitar brand, not orange club soda. If I'm watching a video on how to change a flat tire, I want an advert on car stereo systems, not AIB banking. If I'm visiting a site that sells hair pomades, I want to see adverts for other men's salon products. I don't want to see tampon adverts or adverts promoting politics.

Has anyone seen Minority Report? As scary as it would be, imagine adverts were actually tailored to your specific experiences and personal life? Imagine driving into town and a billboard shows an image of a new a GTX 1080 or AMD Ryzen CPU and not a new crappy looking £20k BMW you would never buy even if you won the lottery?
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Old 15-02-17, 03:37 PM
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Has anyone seen Minority Report? As scary as it would be, imagine adverts were actually tailored to your specific experiences and personal life? Imagine driving into town and a billboard shows an image of a new a GTX 1080 or AMD Ryzen CPU and not a new crappy looking £20k BMW you would never buy even if you won the lottery?
Lol, the irony is, everyone doesn't want that kind of tracking, people complain about the data collected by Facebook, Google, Amazon and the like to tailor ads to them.. but that's almost exactly what it's for, directed and targeted advertising.
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Lol, the irony is, everyone doesn't want that kind of tracking, people complain about the data collected by Facebook, Google, Amazon and the like to tailor ads to them.. but that's almost exactly what it's for, directed and targeted advertising.
I have no problem with it. I don't know whether it's tinfoil hat-wearing fear-mongering or whether it's a legitimate concern, but it doesn't bother me. Not every corporation is stealing my soul and selling it to the devil in interest-free chunks. Maybe I'm not being cautious enough, but I just don't keep enough of a hoot. What I don't like is lazy advertising. At least Google and Amazon are pushing the boundaries a little and trying to change things. If it's for the worst at least they didn't just keep throwing crap at the wall hoping it will stick somewhere.
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I have no problem with it. I don't know whether it's tinfoil hat-wearing fear-mongering or whether it's a legitimate concern, but it doesn't bother me. Not every corporation is stealing my soul and selling it to the devil in interest-free chunks. Maybe I'm not being cautious enough, but I just don't keep enough of a hoot. What I don't like is lazy advertising. At least Google and Amazon are pushing the boundaries a little and trying to change things. If it's for the worst at least they didn't just keep throwing crap at the wall hoping it will stick somewhere.
Google is kind of a weird law unto itself, it's strange how they've managed to get into the position with as much power as they have over other websites. They literally make all the rules that govern how content has to be written and presented to get noticed on the internet. I don't think people realise just what a scary, scary thing that actually is.
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I just whitelisted OC3D from adblocking, just because of what Sub said. Ads here aren't too bad, so as long as it stays that way, I'm happy to put up with them to support the forum.
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Google is kind of a weird law unto itself, it's strange how they've managed to get into the position with as much power as they have over other websites. They literally make all the rules that govern how content has to be written and presented to get noticed on the internet. I don't think people realise just what a scary, scary thing that actually is.
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That's what happens when you have so much money you can bully your way through competitors and then eventually, be the monopoly that they are today.
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If you scroll far enough down Facebook, because of their lazy-loading technique it slows the page to a god damn crawl. It's so badly coded. A lot of sites are using this whole 'don't load below the fold' technique, not sure if it's for click tracking or what but putting content behind tap bars and stuff is nasty.
Lol, I've totally noticed this when scrolling through message history to find a specific link or so in the past... Damn it becomes slow after just a few loads and scrolls.

I thought it was my PC and browser (even though I had an 5820K, 1080 with an Samung 960 M.2 SSD), but now I know it's Facebook themselves.
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