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Old 25-05-20, 11:24 AM
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Well if it was me this is what i'd buy....if she is going to be streaming ditch the wifi.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/k73Pdm

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£166.40 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler (£30.46 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£105.00 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 G DDR4-3600 Memory (£75.48 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung PM961 128 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£44.20 @ Technextday)
Storage: ADATA SU630 960 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£93.76 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (£395.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q500L ATX Mid Tower Case (£49.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£59.99 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: D-Link DWA-582 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£28.61 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: BenQ GL2480 24.0" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor (£88.00 @ Amazon UK)
Keyboard: ADATA XPG INFAREX K20 Wired Gaming Keyboard (£29.50 @ Amazon UK)
Mouse: ADATA XPG INFAREX M10 Wired Optical Mouse (£16.10 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1183.48

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Old 25-05-20, 12:26 PM
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I wouldn't buy a 6gb GPU now. Not with the new consoles having far more. In a year or so it will end up like 1060 3gb, pretty much useless. And £400? LOL.

I'd get a 5700 or wait.
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Old 25-05-20, 12:31 PM
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I wouldn't buy a 6gb GPU now. Not with the new consoles having far more. In a year or so it will end up like 1060 3gb, pretty much useless. And £400? LOL.

I'd get a 5700 or wait.
You cant play rtx minecraft on a 5700 ,but it is true i think the 2060 super is overpriced
you can get a 1070 around the same price but then its a slower gpu.
If the op wasnt going to be playing raytraced minecaft i'd get a 5700/xt myself (well i did found mine for £299!)
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Old 25-05-20, 12:39 PM
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I gather you mean the 2070? it has more VRAM. Doesn't matter how fast a card is if it runs out of VRAM you have had it. Performance absolutely tanks.

I learned this very quickly with my Fury X cards. Once you run out of VRAM it goes to your paging file on your hard drive and performance drops by 90%. That is why the 780, even at 1080p, and other 3gb cards are theoretically useless.

Nvidia are not stupid. They know the market, and they know where it is heading. They don't dish out bargains, so the cheap cards always come hobbled with just enough VRAM. Give it two years? it's not enough any more. That is how they keep people coming back.

If we were talking about a £200 card here? fine. But seriously £400 for an entry mid level GPU that will be useless within a couple of years? yeah I couldn't do it. Not when I paid £30 more for a 2070 Super before this all began, and £360 for a 2070.
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Old 25-05-20, 12:43 PM
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Yep pricing is crazy at the moment but still the op wants 1080p gameing/streaming 6gbs is fine and 2 years is about when i upgrade a gpu anyway maybe waiting antill this covid crap has goneaway is a better idea but who knows when thats going to be.
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Old 25-05-20, 01:10 PM
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I'd get a 5700 or wait.
AMD cards are hopeless for streaming. The NVENC (new) encoder on RTX cards is out of this world good. If you wanna do any kind of streaming RTX card is practically a must. AMD shot themselves in the head (not the foot) buy completely ignoring the streaming market.
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Old 25-05-20, 01:45 PM
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The 2060 Super is an 8GB card guys. Same memory config (But not chips) as an RTX 2080.

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AMD cards are hopeless for streaming. The NVENC (new) encoder on RTX cards is out of this world good. If you wanna do any kind of streaming RTX card is practically a must. AMD shot themselves in the head (not the foot) buy completely ignoring the streaming market.
AMD's encoder isn't *that* bad, lots of people stream fine with Polaris' encoder, it's only like an 8% max perf. hit and presumably less for Navi. I don't stream myself but I've heard lots of good things about how easy it is to setup with the AMD drivers having built in one-click no-hit Twitch streaming and such.

I've heard NVidia's has better image quality but I thought you need to have like "Partner status" on Twitch to have exceptionally good encoding anyway.
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Old 25-05-20, 01:54 PM
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Yeah that's nonsense about Nvidia being a must have. You can set up a perfectly good streaming rig on a 570.

I do stand corrected about the VRAM though. I didn't realise they were 8gb.
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Old 25-05-20, 02:22 PM
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The 2060 Super is an 8GB card guys. Same memory config (But not chips) as an RTX 2080.


AMD's encoder isn't *that* bad, lots of people stream fine with Polaris' encoder, it's only like an 8% max perf. hit and presumably less for Navi. I don't stream myself but I've heard lots of good things about how easy it is to setup with the AMD drivers having built in one-click no-hit Twitch streaming and such.

I've heard NVidia's has better image quality but I thought you need to have like "Partner status" on Twitch to have exceptionally good encoding anyway.
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Old 25-05-20, 02:32 PM
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This is true, though for balance I'll just add AMD also has an equivalent encoder for streaming.
I wouldn't say equivalent, to the extent that in fact I wouldn't use AMD VCE at streaming bitrates. It's fine for getting raw footage for editing, though. Avet's video above says everything, for a quick conclusion go to 17:45.

In terms of a suitable graphics card I'd probably go with 1660 Super at 1080p. But 1440p monitors are becoming affordable, even at higher frame rates, so would strongly consider that route and 2060 Super for instance. Going higher has pretty harsh diminishing returns. I would avoid Navi for a streamer rig and in general due to their more unstable driver stack, black screen issues are still around.
CPU wise 3600 is the king, as Z490 motherboard prices are elevated due to bone-headed decision of including PCI-E 4.0. Otherwise 10600K could be a worthy upgrade.

What comes to RTX, the tech is barely usable with a 2080 Super and somewhat nice with 2080 Ti. Both clearly out of your budget, maybe with next generation ray tracing becomes actually viable.
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