WYP
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Need Chromium with less Google? Edge might be the answer.
Read more about Microsoft's Chromium-based Edge browser entering beta.
Read more about Microsoft's Chromium-based Edge browser entering beta.
Microsoft's new Chromium-based Edge browser is now available in Beta
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NeverBackDown
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Or just download Chromium and avoid both companies.
Used this MS a while ago. It was forced to use bing as the search engine. Awful... couldn't change it either.
Just stick to Chromium
Used this MS a while ago. It was forced to use bing as the search engine. Awful... couldn't change it either.
Just stick to Chromium
Dawelio
Active member
Or even better Firefox.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
EW lol
Chromium is far superior my guy. Especially for Web Development using Chromium-based browsers is just easier. Better Dev tools and fantastic extensions to help with frameworks/libraries like React/Redux. That's why I stick to Chromium stuff.
For personal non development web use, I tried both. Like REALLY tried. Chrome was always faster and easier to use, plus used roughly the same amount of memory.
Although if you ever want the Chrome experience without using Chrome itself, either Brave or Chromium are great browsers. Love both. Or use Edge as it was good outside a few issues, but best bet to aviod any big tech company is either the Brave or Open Source Chromium
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Dawelio
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EW lol
Chromium is far superior my guy. Especially for Web Development using Chromium-based browsers is just easier. Better Dev tools and fantastic extensions to help with frameworks/libraries like React/Redux. That's why I stick to Chromium stuff.
For personal non development web use, I tried both. Like REALLY tried. Chrome was always faster and easier to use, plus used roughly the same amount of memory.
Although if you ever want the Chrome experience without using Chrome itself, either Brave or Chromium are great browsers. Love both. Or use Edge as it was good outside a few issues, but best bet to aviod any big tech company is either the Brave or Open Source Chromium
Well considering I don't use any of that myself, it's not really valid to me personally. After doing extensive research on browsers etc, Firefox came out as the winner when it comes to privacy. Brave is a also a good option, although personally didn't quite fit my cup of tea unfortunately.
Daiyus
Member
I tend to use Firefox for similar reasons, however I do have one other concern:
I don't want Chromium to get to the point where Google can effectively "control" how the internet works with regards to standards. Chromium might be open source (and a great product), but it's still directed by Google, and thus anything that goes into it is still for the benefit of Google. The more browsers that are built on Chromium, and the more people use Chromium based browsers, the more power we give to Google to undermine non-Chromium browsers.
Now I admit that it's a pretty paranoid thought process, but the less we rely on Google, Microsoft, etc, the better in my opinion. I'm not saying boycott them and go completely FOSS (although it's a lovely utopian dream), but I can't help but be worried about how many people trust these companies with so many important aspects of their lives.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Chromium is open source and you cannot just decide what goes into it. It has to get approved by the community. This is the reason it lacks features compared to Chrome itself.
Daiyus
Member
I'll do a bit more research then, and try to look at it with a more open minded attitude than I have in the past. It's just really hard to shake the fact that it's so closely related to Google.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Well other browsers use it like Brave that are not nearly like Google in regards to privacy. So it's definitely safe, no back doors or anything.
Correct. MUCH more secure than that crap spyware named CHROME.
Firefox is the ONLY browser I use and the ONLY browser that I put on my computers I sell at my store. Chrome is banned.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I understand privacy concerns, but they all collect and sell your data. It's also the websites you use. they collect and store data about you as well. Even this one.
You can't escape it. No reason to be super against one.
You can't escape it. No reason to be super against one.
Dawelio
Active member
True, but that doesn’t mean you have to pull down your pants completely and reveal yourself to the world. What you mentioned in your previous post, that it needs to be approved by the community, fair point. Although from my research, all of the big tech giants, such as Google, has more than enough resources to still collect your data. Wether it’s been approved by the community or not, in the end, anything that is related to Google, they will take advantage of. As we are their products after all.
Just look at Windows for example, which Barnacules (sorry if misspelled) even did a video on, he used a certain program to block and/or shut off anything that could basically be used to ”spy” on him. Then once the PC got updated, the Windows updated re-activated all of those settings - without even saying or asking for his permission to do so.
Call this ”thin foil hat” if you want (this is not directly pointed at you NBD though, so don’t take it that way), but it’s just that even if you’re not doing anything illegal, it’s a matter of principles. That I don’t want to give away my life, freely, to these companies.
My private life is just that, private. And I should be able to use the internet freely, without needing the concern of companies spying on my private life.
Hence why I use Firefox and VPN, to give as little away as possible, as I see it as a human right to keep my private information private.
I mean if you're genuinely super strict about it, there's always the Tor browser(heavily modified Firefox with onion routing, built in noscript and a bunch of other stuff) , even with the general internet it's more secure than normal Firefox with add ons.
If it's advertising I'd you're worrying about that only requires cookies for them to make robust profiles really though.
If it's advertising I'd you're worrying about that only requires cookies for them to make robust profiles really though.
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Dawelio
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Yeah, I’m aware of the Tor browser... although that is a bit overkill for my needs and a bit over the top.
All I’m saying is that I personally use Firefox over any Chromiom/Google based/related browser, since it is more privacy minded.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
You misunderstood.
Chromium is open source. Google has no bearing on what goes on Chromium. Chrome is based off Chromium. Chrome is a separate non-open sourced browser that uses Chromium as it's base.
Yes Google helped create it and whatnot but it's open source and they can't just go adding whatever they want to. It gets approved and if they tried to add whatever data mining crap the community would laugh at them.
That's why Chromium has less features than chrome. Because they don't want to collect every bit of data like Google.
Even still, anything these days including FF tracks you and your data. It's how they make money and stay in business. Whether it's your browser engine or the website you visit, or your ISP. They collect.
That's why it's important to use a VPN but people can still fairly easily figure out who you are and what you are looking at.
That's also why you should help promote better privacy laws. To keep tracking to a minimum.
Dawelio
Active member
How so?... So basically everyone that says a VPN protects you, is just saying bs? :mellow:
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It does protect you from most people and companies. Your ISP can still track you though as all your data that goes in an out is routed through them. Will they know the contents? No. but they can still see you and your VPN connection. Could they find out your downloading illegal stuff behind that encryption? Yes. My brother found that out the hard way using Utorrent behind a VPN..
Plus if a "hacker" knows the encryption keys used to encrypt and decrypt that data, they can easily intercept the transmission and decode the contents.
So excluding the ISP, it's basically 99.9% safe. Hackers rarely go after one random person, they focus on companies to get access to tens of thousands of people.
looz
Active member
Chromium is also a massive code base written by mostly Google employees. It also hasn't been audited by a third party. Plenty of opportunities for tracking code to hide in plain sight.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Considering how many people contribute and the amount of features it lacks compared to Chrome, it wouldn't be so easy.
Yes, it does track you, as any browser will and does, but the amount and extent in the hands of Google itself is not much.
If you use any google service though, such as Gmail, or anything. Then no matter the browser, could be tor, or Opera with a VPN, they will get all the information anyway.
Heck even tech companies share data with eachother, so share with one and they all have it.
That's why people who refuse to use Chrome make no sense to me. Literally, it's impossible to use the internet without some service tracking or collecting data about you. That's why it's important to promote transparency and privacy laws.
